Obama: Tandem buster?
Published: 03 July, 2009, 11:45
Speaking with the Associated Press before his departure for Russia; US President Barack Obama gave every impression that he intends to play Russia President Dmitry Medvedev off against Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. This is naive and very dangerous. Moreover, such an approach will not result in “resetting” Russia-US relations. Either Obama believes he has already mastered Russian...
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July 03, 2009, 10:10
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I was just as shocked as you Peter, I wanted to hide! Obama says he has a very good relationship with Medvedev, is he aware that with 1 word from Putin, Medvedev will never speak to him again? Obama does not need new advisors, he needs to be a leader.
It seems his advisors want to make an internal strife so they could create a situation like in Ukraine. Seems to me that was cheap attempt, as to make from mr. Medvedev another Juščenko-type puppet. To me hes no way an opportunist as neo´s would want to see him, thinking he´s inexperienced and able to be manipulated. Obama should get an answer that he has no right to do anything with any other country´s internal affairs, and in turn Russsia needs to press them instead of being always on the defensive. Defensive means they can lie about you and you trying to prove it is lies, while their dark side remains unattended to and spreading its power over the minds of simple people.
Mr Putin scare americans leaders, because they know that they cannot manipulate him.
Mr Medvedev, coming from the russian business communauty could be easely to manage. The two russian leaders must stick together, beware of the many US dirty tricks and speak firmly and frankly to Earth.
Sincerely. Jean-Claude Meslin
As time passes, slowly, Obama takes off his mask, revealing his real face. How democratic his comments really are ? What are his intentions ? He behaves very strange. I can't get it ...
…just another brick in the wall…
He is not capable to grow.
When ew talk about some leader being a Puppet, I can categorically say that Obama is simply a Puppet. If anyone wants to challenge me on that, I will give him or her facts.
Obama really dissapointed me. Putin is the greatest leader of our time, every country wants to have a Putin. It is a pity that Obama cannot be "American Putin"
I think Obama is intimidated by Putin. Most world leaders are.
When does Obama start to show the "change we can believe in?"
@Ikenna Aduaka, I fear your comment about our president is correct. The American political "machine" selects the candidates, and nobody will be elected without a majority of their advisors coming from the "machine". I will look at whoever is near Obama's elbow when he arrives in Moscow. Those people will be involved in writing Obama's "talking points".
I still have hope that Obama will make some observations of his own and use his own words. Maybe by next year's Congressional elections, he will have decided which of his advisors to keep and which to "retire". That sometimes happens during a president's first term. Meanwhile, he has to be careful what he says and not stray too far from the party line. After all, we killed a president years ago for saying the wrong things.
Ha ha I must say it made me laugh when I heard what Mr. Obama said. Mr. Obama obviously expects from Mr. Medvedev to behave like himself - to be a puppet who does not use his own head. But what Mr. Obambi's advisers didn't know is that Russia is a serious country having serious people (both President and Prime minister) leading it in serious times. What a poor move of a desperate USA! If they didn't manage to think something better they better don't come to Russia.
In any serious conversation, if and as long one side keeps on following the "divide and conquer strategy" there can be no meaningful deal.
In fact Bush followed this strategy from the outset. Why should Obama continue with that if he wishes to improve the world we live in?
Each side should, to the best of its ability, examine its true motives prior to sitting down at the table, instead of just simply following its own selfish interests.
JK
Mr. Lavelle is screening the media stratum informing about governance, not controlling executive levels. This is why the situation deserves more elaborated comment.
President Obama would definitely make conclusion that his own opinion or one single tripping in the interview – is enough to radical cancelation of himself from the Russian side. Guess he harbors this responsibility for his limited assignment in Russia and had to tell it in advance. This is fair enough.
However, nobody relevant from the Russian political observers ever expected him to get endorsement for cashing foreign policy of USA on his individual charisma. The impression was – he might bring his individual creativity on the same way we – from this side of the planet – conceive lady Oprah. “Black is magic” – meaning the creative “black intelligence” is not manifested yet and therefore stays still “magic”; it is not turned out into political flash.
This expectancy failed. And he has to swallow this bitter pill before taking off to Russia. President Putin does not stay on his way and it is ridiculous that any welcoming black President declares one of his hosts unfit and not knowing where to put his two legs. This is about as asking Obama – does he sleep in black or white bed? Whatever he does – he remains responsible to the black mental asset of USA or he ends fighting pigments as Michel Jackson.
Whoever makes the stage – Russians expect you to step on it as you are.
Putin’s democracy is very tough and straight stuff we all have had difficulties to learn.
JK - I know you mean well, but Bear is right, we are serious people, so don't come here with clap trap nonsense, smoking a peace pipe. We know peace comes, not form a puppet dancing and trying to strangle us with his strings. We know peace comes from real honest motives and trust. The USA has shown no good deeds, it still tries to encirle us, it stills tries for first strike, it still tries underhanded political manipulation of our neighbours and agitators. This is not the activity of promoters of peace, it is the activities of an oportunist aggressor. Our military strength is our only guarantor of freedom, if we rest for even a moment, we will never wake up. If the US wants to be genuine, then stop with these underhanded activities and the mumbo jumbo division business. Its hardly a great opening line, hello Mr and Mrs, by the way your husband maybe cheating on you. Would you call that a sincere approach. We spot divide and conquer; come with it as an opener, and we will answer together, with a strength 20 times as strong, with a good slap across the face from her and a punch in the face from him. Then we will drink and laugh at you! but its what you deserved!
I would like to highlight what Peter said, "the US president never should have said the following in PUBLIC:..." Perhaps this is true, he should not have said it in public, but his strategy was not to "divide" Medvedev and Putin. Everyone knows that Medvedev was "hand picked" by Putin to continue Putin's version of "guided democracy." I believe Obama's strategy was to say out loud what everyone has been too scared to say, that Putin has not completely broken the continuity of the soviet regime. This is quite evident in the fact that Putin/Medvedev still believe that Russia has the "right" of having a sphere of influence over the ex-soviet countries. It is funny how Russian politicians criticize NATO of being an archaic remnant of the past, when it is still stuck believing they have a "cold war" sphere of influence. I believe they go hand-in-hand, and if Russia would give up these preposterous beliefs, perhaps NATO would not have a reason to exist anymore. But, until then, NATO does have a purpose: to help ex-soviet states obtain democracy, prosperity and security. It is no secret that people west of Ukraine and Belarus live much better than people inside Russia's sphere of influence. I think it is criminal that Russia hinders the citizens in ex-soviet states from obtaining a better standard of living. If Russia does not want to care about its people, so be it (as the successor of the CCCP should behave); however, let the other countries break away from this succession.
If RT was not just a propaganda machine for Putin, it would post what I wrote above. I don't expect this, though, because this is not considered "real media."
I wished,Count Cash, that you were right -- it would make international and especially American politics an easy topic to follow and understand. Unfortunately, it is not.
The neighboring countries you mention were not manipulated into disliking Russia -- their deep distrust of Russia was basically a consequence of Russia's own policy towards them, both during Soviet times and afterwards.
Not a single country in Eastern Europe -- apparently now not even Belarus -- is happy with Russia the way it is. In the Caucasus, even 'well-behaved' countries like Armenia will often do things that are viewed as "anti-Russian" -- such as giving Saakashvili a medal. Even the Central Asian republics will also not always want to follow Russia's lead -- e.g. by not recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia, or, like Kyrgyzstan, by returning the Manas base to the US.
It is clear that the CSTO is not working -- Russia behaves as if the CSTO were to be for Russia's interests, with the other countries simply agreeing that what is good for Russia will eventually be good for the others.
Count Cash, I am married to a Russian, and my daughter is (among other things) also a Russian. I wish this country would grow and become important -- but not authoritarian, especially not with respect to its neighbors. I am sorry to say, but there was very little need of any foreign interference for all those old Soviet-sphere countries to want to distance themselves from Russia. Wrong, misguided, frankly imperialistic Russian foreign policy over the last 50 years was more than sufficient.
The feeling of 'encirclement' that this gives you -- i.e. the fact that pretty much every country (especially in Europe) that once was under Russian influence now wants out and actively seeks partnership with the opposite side (a typical behavior in post-colonial countries, by the way -- run away from the old colonizer as far as possible!) is, again, a result of misguided Russian politics.
I have said I like Russia, and I do. Which is why I say to Russia: please, please strech an open hand to all these countries. Please stop thinking in terms of "either-my-sphere-of-influence-or-nothing!" There are lots of ways to build mutual trust and mutual economic relations that don't depend on "being angry" at this or that country's desire to join this or that organization, for instance. Just as the US didn't complain when Russia sought links with South America (though choosing Venezuela... you could have done better) -- don't complain when previous Soviet sphere countries seek external alliances.
On the contrary, Russia -- seek these same alliances yourself. With your size and (potential) economic power, you'd certainly be an influence to reckon with within these organizations.
And also, and above all -- PLEASE, please work on diversifying your economy. Please! The Russian people has so many highly educated individuals, very skilled and capable technicians, some of the world's best scientists... Please make full use of them in diversifying the Russian economy, so that it may grow stronger and more influential! This is the path that China has followed, and with quite a lot of success.
If Russia becomes an economical success -- if Russians not only buy plasma TVs but actually make them, and better TVs than other countries -- then the economic attractiveness of Russia will increase and all the former neighboring countries that Russians are still so interested in will have positive feelings about developing ties with Russia.
Please, develop and grow! Stop complaining about others 'cheating' (especially without evidence) and start playing this game to win!
RT is Putin's propaganda machine! How delusional do people get, ones who harp on regarding post soviet influence, whilst exposing their own delusions and prejudices to the world. It is also noteworthy that these individuals never mention the montroe doctrine or that slight US sphere of influence in the middle east and asia with puppets sitting in residence. I have no issue with debating spheres of influence, but being selective with regard to Russia is plain bias and nonsence.
I have called the american administration: Earth unic devil's empire. I maintain what I said and refering to Obama lack of respect toward Mr Putin I don't understand that you did not print my comment.
Sincerely. Jean-Claude Meslin
I would like to highlight what Peter said, "the US president never should have said the following in PUBLIC:..." This is a very true statement and Obama, opened his mouth and stuck his foot in it! Americans have a bad habit with doing that...
As an American living in Russia, I find that the old Soviet countries are a breath of fresh air.They are so much better to live in then the Western world.
The Western world has more material possessions but that is not what makes the world go round.
What makes the world go round is the people and the people of the old Soviet countries are night and day above the Western people...
Putin hit back at Obama. - Russians, he said, "stand solidly on their own two feet and always look into the future".
I agree as always: Russians play chess and American play Checkers!
Kyle
PS: "real media." I guess real media is CNN, Time, AP, Reuters?
Give me Russia Today it rocks....
A sphere of influence isn't the point. When the USSR and the Warsaw Pact dissolved why wasn't NATO? The US exploitation of the end of the USSR and then 9/11 which Condi Rice called the greatest opportunity since WW2, reflects the true lingering cold war mentatily.
Putin doesn't want Russia to be encircled by Nato bases and hostile governments helped into power through US financed revolutions. Is that unreasonable?
The US reaction to any country that runs up against it's own strategic and commercial interests is a lot more forceful than Putin's mildly expressed irritation - blockades, coups, assassinations, invasion and occupation. I thought Obama marked a real change in US attitudes but there's no evidence so far. It's pretty damning that he's done nothing about the blockade of Gaza. Most Americans dont even vote for their preselected leaders, and the rest of the world certainly don't vote for them to rule the planet.
Saša, what is the definition of the media? What about´Russian´ or ´Democratic´media? I know RT sometimes spins it because of lack of insight from some of them (even Peter sometimes) When there is a ´democratic´ spin, you cant see it- its realy big. Because how you wrote was entirely what western media want you to believe. RT also wants to be american user-friendly, so they dont write here what is ´politically incorrect´only sometimes. Under who´s influence is Belarus? It was always (western media told you that) a dictatorship with Russia controlling them. Now because the media want it, they dont mention Lukašenko as a dictator, because they want to appeal to him- and to the people. Ukraine because of Juščenko puppet and the strife inside is doing very badly. All the coloured revolutions brought only negatives, few controlling everything and very big majority barely having where to live and to eat. Why is there so many Ukrainians in Czech republic? Ukraine is quite big, but how the promised heaven on earth didnt come? How the crisis came? Wasnt it the da best US that made it? What about the new flu? Wasnt it Made in U.S.A. ? Or is it that I´m just Yankophobic?...
It is the US and the media and political establishment that is stuck in Cold War with its constant terminology and statements with Cold War personalities involved in US think tanks, media pundits and government officials determining US foreign policy.
@Sasha
How is RT not a real news service?
CNN like the coverage so much of bombed out South Ossetia they took it and said it was Gori in Georgia.
Russia either Putin or Medvedev have never mentioned or referenced a sphere of influence this is a western media and political reference.
It seems the US sphere of influence is across the globe in Latin America, Middle East, Africa and Europe even telling the EU to accept Turkey.
It is the US and the EU that references a sphere of influence and makes an effort to destabilise countries that don’t suit there agenda through NGO’s and in some cases as the case of Russia, former Yugoslavia and Bolivia through separatism and terrorism.
It is Soros, the former Oligarchs, the CIA/MI6 and the EU outfits that are interfering in the internal affairs of countries bring about “colour revolutions” where western aligned media and investors by up the media and install anti-Russia regimes in Georgia and Ukraine. Used as a proxy to attack Russia just like they did Japan in 1904.
The same outfits run operations in Russia giving financial assistance, running alternative media and training groups in political activism to any and all opposition in Russia which is illegal under US law.
During the 90’s the entire economic, media and political system was controlled by ethnic minority and a mafia Oligarchy who were citizens of Israel and had no loyalty to the US.
It is US policy stated in think tanks, policy papers and books to treat Russia as an African colony where its resources are to be firmly under western control, no regional alliances can be form to offset US domination of Eurasia and that Russia is not a country but a series of states were separatism is to be supported as long as its located near energy corridors and natural resources and is pro US.
From Brezinskis book the Grand Chessboard
“Two basic steps are thus required: first, to identify the geostrategically dynamic Eurasian states that have the power to cause a potentially important shift in the international distribution of power and to decipher the central external goals of their respective political elites and the likely consequences of their seeking to attain them;… second, to formulate specific U.S. policies to offset, co-opt, and/or control the above…” (p. 40)
“To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.” (p.40)
Russia has a rightful objection to have the largest military regime which supported Islamic terrorism and work with KLA terrorists in Kosovo creating vassal states where natural resources and energy corridors are firmly under US control and installing a missile system targeted towards her that can wipe out St Petersburg and Moscow in a matter of minutes and the agreements signed by Russia and US since the fall of the USSR on NATO expansion, ABM treaty as been broken by the US.
Obama is just a puppet of Brezinski where he appoints his staff members. I guess it’s just a coincidence that nearly all of Obama’s staff members were involved in supporting terrorism and the dismantlement of Yugoslavia and the Brezinski clan in senior positions in media, foreign policy in Europe towards Russia and overseeing Coloured revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and Central Asia.
The US like other western countries media, political, financial and academic establishment is dominated by an ethnic minority who you have to seek approval before standing a chance of running for office.
The US is one of the lest politically representative countries in the world were 2 parties dominate the politics who agree more than disagree on topics like immigration, foreign policy, etc.
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