What drives Europeans and Americans into Al-Qaeda training camps?


Sam 25 June, 2008, 20:08	This is a complex question as it is not a single but a chain of events that is responsible. World event such as "collateral darmage" in places like palastine and Iraq creats sympathy. Then mixing moderate muslems points them in the direction of convertion to islam.I would say out of sympathy with the people. From that point,since their motives were sympathy and anger to start with,just mixing with the wrong people eventually leads them to Al Qaeda. One such place is the well known Finchley Park mosque at the time Hamza was there. In fact,I know a guy( was a close friend),mind you he is a britsh banguli muslim already but more moderate you could not find.Loved his booze and really never even said a prayer. Then he went for a whole two weeks "prayer meeting" at Finchley Park to thank God for letting him pass his MB/BS exams.They slept and ate there not even going home for two weeks. That was it.He came back complete with a beard(it was a funny how big it was in just 2 weeks)All he ever did was talk on how muslems are oppressed. Not forgetting that all he did was go there to thank God,it was obvious thats not all that was being done there. Mind you it took 9/11 for him to calm down and now working like a general practitioner in London. permalink quote 0 Sam
Norman 25 June, 2008, 23:05	There are two or three things that motivate people to join groups like the Al-Qaeda: Social discontent, declining Christianity and declining financial conditions. Al-Qaeda is much like religious cults, IN MANY WAYS. permalink quote 0 Norman
ROBERT (U.S.) 26 June, 2008, 06:26	Europeans and Americans are more likely recruited into this trainnig camps. Like most countries with voluntary militaries. Many of this people have lost hope in getting anywhere in life. Once recruited then AL-QAEDA religious leader begin there brain washing. The usual ninja junk. Your nothing until you indure this hardship task. Then the key to brain washing anyone is to keep them busy and don't let them think to much. Like most boot camps. Then comes the loyalty issues. This come in by givining preferential treatment to those that tend to be more loyal (also this is where discrimination become a great tool). Most member are probly brained washed to think that there reward for there missions are going to be given to them in heaven.(like god is going to be at the pearly gate waiting for them and say thank you killing all those inocent people and yourself. thats what we need here in heaven is a bunch of self rightchess violent people.) Well I can tell you this if heaven is full of AL-QAEDA people i'll tell God right now I don't want to go there. I will take my chance in hell with all the good looking premiscues women. permalink quote 0 ROBERT (U.S.)
isino 26 June, 2008, 07:44	Perhaps they all sick of people sympathise with the policy of the invaders previously had no sympathy for the atrocities they done. permalink quote 0 isino
Artyom 26 June, 2008, 08:01	American stupidity! Bluntly said. :) permalink quote 0 Artyom
Vijay 27 June, 2008, 09:17	Al-Qaeda or all such terrorist organizations are basically sicko groups that try to manipulate people's hatred towards estabishment/s. West symbolises 'ESTABILISHMENT' in capital letters even today. Thus those that are virulently anti-estabilishment feel that A-Q has the best credentials and most appealing strategies. And this excludes religion and all such factors.! It is bsically an anti-estabilishment mind-set that draws Americans and others towards it. The only solution - A new anti-terrorist Security mechanism that envelops all - Europe, Continental USA, Russian sphere and Chindia/South East Asia etc. permalink quote 0 Vijay
Rhys 27 June, 2008, 23:57	Al-Qaeda evolved from the Maktab al-Khadamat (Services Office), a Muslim organization founded in 1980 to raise and channel funds and recruit foreign mujahadeen for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. So it seems rather poetic justice, however unfortunate, that Al-Qaeda would turn against those who armed them . The US media is only making the situation worse by broadcasting to the world 'Hey look guys, if anyone anywere in the world dosn't like america, Al-Qaeda is where the party is at' Some of what i've read on the topic suggests that Al-Qaeda was not even an organisation before the 9/11 attacks. Ever since it has been given this strong identity, it has become the international hub for those extremist revolutionaries permalink quote 0 Rhys
DaniYah 28 June, 2008, 16:44	Rhys, et al: IT IS A SHAME THAT NO ONE HAS PUBLICIZED THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN AL-QAEDA, THE TALIBAN, THE REGIONAL WAR LORDS, THE TRIBAL CHIEFTAINS, THE LONE FARMERS TRYING TO PREVENT THEIR CHILDREN FROM RAPE BY US-LED FORCES, AND THE TERRORIZING OCCUPATION FORCES THEMSELVES AND WHO AMONG THESE STANDS TO BENEFIT FROM THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES AND HOW. WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION???? permalink quote 0 DaniYah
Nick 2 July, 2008, 04:48	You mean there really is an Al-Qaeda that is actually independent of the CIA? permalink quote 0 Nick
SrpskiCrnogorac 2 July, 2008, 15:40	Western Machiavellian politics. From founding the Taliban against the Soviets over western media propaganda about the Bosnian war. Now you get it back. War on Terror, US-Iran tensions.I am laughing all day long. 2:0 for Serbia! permalink quote 0 SrpskiCrnogorac
john 2 July, 2008, 17:41	One persons "freedom fighter" is another's "terrorist". The CIA is not a terrorist organization unlike some other similar state programs. Being a Russian, I am afraid to say I am scared of what the CIA could do the Russian and the rest of the world. They are so powerful unlike the Russian Secret Service. The United States did win the Cold War and since then have become unstoppable, unlike Russia. permalink quote 0 john
Rad 3 July, 2008, 02:56	It's nothing new for humanity seeing people flock to areas of conflict. Such adventures have been romanticized in many popular novels and films such as "For Whom the Bell Tolls" and "A Fistful of Dynamite." Some seek adventure. Some may be agents of major powers. Others seek profit. Still others enjoy the fight or seek revenge. Every size and shape of creature is represented here within a multitude of parallel universes of humanity and inhumanity. Let us not forget that we also have the victims of occupation, holocaust and war, they too take up arms to defend their interests, whether it be religious, ideological, cultural, geographic, paternal or for whatever reason they wish as this is their right. We have the outsiders and the insiders but patriotism or the cause becomes inseparable from banditry and the cutthroat barbarity of inhumanity. This is the meaning of total war for there are no Marquis of Queensberry rules. There was insuperable cruelty during the Spanish Civil War. All wars and conflict to this day to the very moment as we speak there are human beings suffering the same without any hope or publicity. During World War II how many millions of Russians were murdered by the Axis? What happened to Nazi and Fascist collaborators and soldiers when they were captured by the partisan resistance? What happened to Mussolini when he was captured with his Jewish mistress and entourage? Who witnessed the Arab and Palestinian women, children and old people being ethnically cleansed by the Zionist execution squads? What about the Mai Lai Massacre? Haditha massacre? Therefore it should come as no surprise when in response people across the world merge together outraged as victims or part of the resistance prosecuting the Crusaders to the same Mussolini filming. Often such cruelty is publicized for propaganda purposes by all sides but it's nothing new. What's worse and less destructive for humanity and the environment: the cruelty of dropping an atomic Bomb or two on Japanese women, children and old people or a partisan and his captive fascist under the blade? With the technological advancements in media we are able to witness more of it today just as we witnessed the filming of what happened to Mussolini. All others before and after him have or will suffer the same. This is not the first or last time we shall see the victims of war and holocaust seeking prosecution in their own way. To somehow characterize this activity of prosecution as an aberration of the norm, newfound, unimaginable, illegal, atrocious or evil is taking sides with the Crusaders. With response to Rhys comment on June 28, 2008 saying: "'Hey look guys, if anyone anywhere in the world doesn't like America, Al-Qaeda is where the party is at' The "party" spot you mention may very likely be a police sting operation. Whether or not Al-Qaeda is an Anglo American Saudi False Flag operation, such a broadcast as you've written certainly helps the Anglo American allies because it corrals the motivated able bodied believers of such reports into Al-Qaeda central as their only avenue for successful resistance. Where they'll stand a high probability of being slaughtered as fresh out of the oven clay pigeons by the American meat processing shooting gallery factory. This is a very efficient way of neutralizing your enemies when you are the instigator, provocateur, recruiter, trainer, operations commander, supporter and exterminator of your manufactured threat. What is the end product of this Capitalist business scheme? If Al-Queda didn't exist as a publicized structure to "accept" and corral all these people into one place that can be monitored, infiltrated and targeted, where would they go? They would be harder to monitor and locate. Imagine if the Nazis and Fascists had created successful false flag partisan resistant groups and internet forums as an effective way in destroying the resistance. To some degree they did penetrate Partisan groups and this may be exactly what the Anglo Americans have done with their false flag partisan leaders and corralling points. Corralling the world's able bodied youth through trickery to their destruction. This is a basic Anglo American principle of raising livestock. A controlled profitable process from womb to tomb. Sometimes a lucky animal escapes the slaughter house or it backfires someway but that's all attributed to the costs of doing business. Where has Al Queda under Ben Laden's leadership really been successful and who benefits the most? In East Africa prior to the US Embassy Bombing wasn't Ben Laden ordering his operatives to attend Mosques against the advice of his followers who indicated attending mosques would identify them to US intelligence services? Sounds like just the type of order an infiltrated agent would give. There have been limited successes, but even 911 can be attributed to a backfire ending in egg on the faces of American intelligence since it has also been reported that the hijack teams were being infiltrated by US intelligence. If you believe Don Rumsfeld's heartless valuation of his compatriots lost lives stating the assessment that more Americans die in accidents every year than the "debacle" in Afghanistan and Iraq. With this cost benefit analysis including the lives publicized as being lost in the 911 events. For less than 8,000-10,000 American dead presently, you're left occupying some of the world's largest oil reserves and drug trade centers poised to attack and occupy Iran's oil reserves. You've eliminated one of the standing armies of resistance to the Zionism of Israel. Oil prices are up. The Defense industry is happy. Business is good and the Anglo Saudi American elites are doing well. In their minds, if they could only address the Iranian "problem" to also better secure their Zionist interests, the plan would be deemed a success until they move against Venezuela. During WWI the Anglo American Allies were more than willing to lose thousands in a single day for an opposing trench line, what is the meaning of life to them? How many lives did they lose in South East Asia trying to control the Drug Trade and Rubber plantations? While wishing to deprive a misconceived delusional feared domino of Communist bases in the area resulting in a complete fiasco of the Viet Nam Wall but nevertheless, still profiting the American defense industry of today. Remember the Maine in Cuba of the Spanish American War, Tonkin Gulf, etc. The False Flag operations of deceit and attempts to capitalize on "tragedies" are the American Way of pursuing life, liberty and happiness at the expense of humanity. To them every cloud has a silver lining for their profiteering pockets since they and their allies are the crusading capitalists of grief, doom and conquest. permalink quote 0 Rad
Democracy Sceptic 3 July, 2008, 21:16	As a Brit, I’m perplexed as to what makes a British born young man of Asian family origin want to leave his homeland and go to Pakistan and / or Afghanistan and learn how to kill and maim persons, who for the most part have no quarrel with their religion. Indeed many of these terrorist’s victims have themselves been of Islamic faith. Those that have been found guilty of terrorist activities are usually from non fundamentalist Muslim families. They have become well educated and therefore have a good potential for future gainful employment and lifestyle. Most of them have attended mosques within their areas often to be preached to by men who have come from distant countries and cultures, who teach a way of living, with an inherent intolerance for other faiths that does not bode well within a modern industrial lifestyle, in which virtual equality of the sexes prevail. I can acknowledge that a good Islamic person does not drink alcohol or use abusive language. Thus, I can appreciate that they may well be angered by a not insignificant number of young indigenous Brits living within the same areas as themselves, who go regularly at weekends to pubs and clubs to get intoxicated. These young people are later prone to bad behaviour including abusive language and young females often act in a manner that a good Muslim is bound to find unacceptable. Is this a motivator for the development of hatred within a western society? If so, can they not see that this behaviour isn’t typical for a large majority of Britain’s population? Perhaps there’s resentment that people living in the west can earn much more money than people living in the majority of Muslim countries? Having been to some Middle East countries I recognise what a relatively soft life I enjoy in comparison to many in those countries (but I’ve never had much time for sitting in tea houses playing back gammon during the working day). Whatever, their reasons for becoming involved in fundamentalist Islamist terrorism, I cannot believe that any correctly interpreted book of faith, including the Koran, requires them to go out and kill other men, women and children around them. permalink quote 0 Democracy Sceptic
Sam 4 July, 2008, 07:53	Democracy Sceptic, in reference to the british muslims that join terrorist groups. You will find that most of them originated from middle class families so economics does not come to play here.Also most of the terrorists originate from very rich muslim countries.Do we need to be reminded that almost all 9/11 hijackers were saudis. I think that the main problem is how they see the foreign policies of the west which just happens to be christian.On the receiving end of those policies are usually muslim nations. Take as an example Israel,with 131 UN resolutions against her and condemned 321 times by the UN.Yet the west backs her in everything she does.Iraq did not have even up to 10% of that but got invaded anyway(on false reasons as we all know now) Or the Russian federation,s bringing Chechnya back under its control is another example, being that chechens are muslim and Russians christian.The fact that neither of them are likely to be practicing christians or muslims will not be seen by an observer who sees it as oppression of muslims. It is easy for a young muslim to see this as an attack on the his faith (a crusade if you like). The fact is that most conflicts rarely have religion as a cause for the last few hundreds of years.Its always land and money.Religion is brought in later intensionally or not. permalink quote 0 Sam
DaniYah 10 July, 2008, 17:17	john, You say that the CIA is not a terrorist organization. This is silly. Any, any, any organization on earth that instills terror by inflicting bodily harm is a terrorist organization. Ok, so the CIA is not alone. But as the most influential past recent memory, it is also has assumed the role of the greatest menace. By the way, it is not true that the CIA has become unstoppable. If you recall, the CIA was founded by a Nazi-linked Satanist organization called the Skull and Bones Order 322 of the Totenkopf that formed Hitler's most trusted special forces unit, incidentally also linked to a deep homosexual culture as the Skull and Bones and the CIA. The definition of terrorism today can be contributed to early Christianity that disavowed physical warfare. Since then it has been generally accepted and written into law to prevent physical conflicts (as the UN Charter) and to outlaw such forms of terrorism such as torture(also part of the UN, Geneva Convention.) Wider definitions include unprovoked acts of physical aggression. But the CIA has incorporated a clause into its working papers which call for "preemptive action". Action as such that IS terrorism by ALL lawful definitions. By this is terrorism defined. You can forget about the motives, we've already dealt with those in the past. It is already clear what the Great Satan is about ;-) permalink quote 0 DaniYah

Sam 25 June, 2008, 20:08

This is a complex question as it is not a single but a chain of events that is responsible. World event such as "collateral darmage" in places like palastine and Iraq creats sympathy. Then mixing moderate muslems points them in the direction of convertion to islam.I would say out of sympathy with the people. From that point,since their motives were sympathy and anger to start with,just mixing with the wrong people eventually leads them to Al Qaeda. One such place is the well known Finchley Park mosque at the time Hamza was there. In fact,I know a guy( was a close friend),mind you he is a britsh banguli muslim already but more moderate you could not find.Loved his booze and really never even said a prayer. Then he went for a whole two weeks "prayer meeting" at Finchley Park to thank God for letting him pass his MB/BS exams.They slept and ate there not even going home for two weeks. That was it.He came back complete with a beard(it was a funny how big it was in just 2 weeks)All he ever did was talk on how muslems are oppressed. Not forgetting that all he did was go there to thank God,it was obvious thats not all that was being done there. Mind you it took 9/11 for him to calm down and now working like a general practitioner in London.

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Norman 25 June, 2008, 23:05

There are two or three things that motivate people to join groups like the Al-Qaeda: Social discontent, declining Christianity and declining financial conditions. Al-Qaeda is much like religious cults, IN MANY WAYS.

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ROBERT (U.S.) 26 June, 2008, 06:26

Europeans and Americans are more likely recruited into this trainnig camps. Like most countries with voluntary militaries. Many of this people have lost hope in getting anywhere in life. Once recruited then AL-QAEDA religious leader begin there brain washing. The usual ninja junk. Your nothing until you indure this hardship task. Then the key to brain washing anyone is to keep them busy and don't let them think to much. Like most boot camps. Then comes the loyalty issues. This come in by givining preferential treatment to those that tend to be more loyal (also this is where discrimination become a great tool). Most member are probly brained washed to think that there reward for there missions are going to be given to them in heaven.(like god is going to be at the pearly gate waiting for them and say thank you killing all those inocent people and yourself. thats what we need here in heaven is a bunch of self rightchess violent people.) Well I can tell you this if heaven is full of AL-QAEDA people i'll tell God right now I don't want to go there. I will take my chance in hell with all the good looking premiscues women.

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isino 26 June, 2008, 07:44

Perhaps they all sick of people sympathise with the policy of the invaders previously had no sympathy for the atrocities they done.

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Artyom 26 June, 2008, 08:01

American stupidity! Bluntly said. :)

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Vijay 27 June, 2008, 09:17

Al-Qaeda or all such terrorist organizations are basically sicko groups that try to manipulate people's hatred towards estabishment/s. West symbolises 'ESTABILISHMENT' in capital letters even today. Thus those that are virulently anti-estabilishment feel that A-Q has the best credentials and most appealing strategies. And this excludes religion and all such factors.! It is bsically an anti-estabilishment mind-set that draws Americans and others towards it. The only solution - A new anti-terrorist Security mechanism that envelops all - Europe, Continental USA, Russian sphere and Chindia/South East Asia etc.

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Rhys 27 June, 2008, 23:57

Al-Qaeda evolved from the Maktab al-Khadamat (Services Office), a Muslim organization founded in 1980 to raise and channel funds and recruit foreign mujahadeen for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. So it seems rather poetic justice, however unfortunate, that Al-Qaeda would turn against those who armed them . The US media is only making the situation worse by broadcasting to the world 'Hey look guys, if anyone anywere in the world dosn't like america, Al-Qaeda is where the party is at' Some of what i've read on the topic suggests that Al-Qaeda was not even an organisation before the 9/11 attacks. Ever since it has been given this strong identity, it has become the international hub for those extremist revolutionaries

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DaniYah 28 June, 2008, 16:44

Rhys, et al: IT IS A SHAME THAT NO ONE HAS PUBLICIZED THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN AL-QAEDA, THE TALIBAN, THE REGIONAL WAR LORDS, THE TRIBAL CHIEFTAINS, THE LONE FARMERS TRYING TO PREVENT THEIR CHILDREN FROM RAPE BY US-LED FORCES, AND THE TERRORIZING OCCUPATION FORCES THEMSELVES AND WHO AMONG THESE STANDS TO BENEFIT FROM THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES AND HOW. WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION????

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Nick 2 July, 2008, 04:48

You mean there really is an Al-Qaeda that is actually independent of the CIA?

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SrpskiCrnogorac 2 July, 2008, 15:40

Western Machiavellian politics. From founding the Taliban against the Soviets over western media propaganda about the Bosnian war. Now you get it back. War on Terror, US-Iran tensions.I am laughing all day long. 2:0 for Serbia!

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john 2 July, 2008, 17:41

One persons "freedom fighter" is another's "terrorist". The CIA is not a terrorist organization unlike some other similar state programs. Being a Russian, I am afraid to say I am scared of what the CIA could do the Russian and the rest of the world. They are so powerful unlike the Russian Secret Service. The United States did win the Cold War and since then have become unstoppable, unlike Russia.

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Rad 3 July, 2008, 02:56

It's nothing new for humanity seeing people flock to areas of conflict. Such adventures have been romanticized in many popular novels and films such as "For Whom the Bell Tolls" and "A Fistful of Dynamite." Some seek adventure. Some may be agents of major powers. Others seek profit. Still others enjoy the fight or seek revenge. Every size and shape of creature is represented here within a multitude of parallel universes of humanity and inhumanity. Let us not forget that we also have the victims of occupation, holocaust and war, they too take up arms to defend their interests, whether it be religious, ideological, cultural, geographic, paternal or for whatever reason they wish as this is their right. We have the outsiders and the insiders but patriotism or the cause becomes inseparable from banditry and the cutthroat barbarity of inhumanity. This is the meaning of total war for there are no Marquis of Queensberry rules. There was insuperable cruelty during the Spanish Civil War. All wars and conflict to this day to the very moment as we speak there are human beings suffering the same without any hope or publicity. During World War II how many millions of Russians were murdered by the Axis? What happened to Nazi and Fascist collaborators and soldiers when they were captured by the partisan resistance? What happened to Mussolini when he was captured with his Jewish mistress and entourage? Who witnessed the Arab and Palestinian women, children and old people being ethnically cleansed by the Zionist execution squads? What about the Mai Lai Massacre? Haditha massacre? Therefore it should come as no surprise when in response people across the world merge together outraged as victims or part of the resistance prosecuting the Crusaders to the same Mussolini filming. Often such cruelty is publicized for propaganda purposes by all sides but it's nothing new. What's worse and less destructive for humanity and the environment: the cruelty of dropping an atomic Bomb or two on Japanese women, children and old people or a partisan and his captive fascist under the blade? With the technological advancements in media we are able to witness more of it today just as we witnessed the filming of what happened to Mussolini. All others before and after him have or will suffer the same. This is not the first or last time we shall see the victims of war and holocaust seeking prosecution in their own way. To somehow characterize this activity of prosecution as an aberration of the norm, newfound, unimaginable, illegal, atrocious or evil is taking sides with the Crusaders. With response to Rhys comment on June 28, 2008 saying: "'Hey look guys, if anyone anywhere in the world doesn't like America, Al-Qaeda is where the party is at' The "party" spot you mention may very likely be a police sting operation. Whether or not Al-Qaeda is an Anglo American Saudi False Flag operation, such a broadcast as you've written certainly helps the Anglo American allies because it corrals the motivated able bodied believers of such reports into Al-Qaeda central as their only avenue for successful resistance. Where they'll stand a high probability of being slaughtered as fresh out of the oven clay pigeons by the American meat processing shooting gallery factory. This is a very efficient way of neutralizing your enemies when you are the instigator, provocateur, recruiter, trainer, operations commander, supporter and exterminator of your manufactured threat. What is the end product of this Capitalist business scheme? If Al-Queda didn't exist as a publicized structure to "accept" and corral all these people into one place that can be monitored, infiltrated and targeted, where would they go? They would be harder to monitor and locate. Imagine if the Nazis and Fascists had created successful false flag partisan resistant groups and internet forums as an effective way in destroying the resistance. To some degree they did penetrate Partisan groups and this may be exactly what the Anglo Americans have done with their false flag partisan leaders and corralling points. Corralling the world's able bodied youth through trickery to their destruction. This is a basic Anglo American principle of raising livestock. A controlled profitable process from womb to tomb. Sometimes a lucky animal escapes the slaughter house or it backfires someway but that's all attributed to the costs of doing business. Where has Al Queda under Ben Laden's leadership really been successful and who benefits the most? In East Africa prior to the US Embassy Bombing wasn't Ben Laden ordering his operatives to attend Mosques against the advice of his followers who indicated attending mosques would identify them to US intelligence services? Sounds like just the type of order an infiltrated agent would give. There have been limited successes, but even 911 can be attributed to a backfire ending in egg on the faces of American intelligence since it has also been reported that the hijack teams were being infiltrated by US intelligence. If you believe Don Rumsfeld's heartless valuation of his compatriots lost lives stating the assessment that more Americans die in accidents every year than the "debacle" in Afghanistan and Iraq. With this cost benefit analysis including the lives publicized as being lost in the 911 events. For less than 8,000-10,000 American dead presently, you're left occupying some of the world's largest oil reserves and drug trade centers poised to attack and occupy Iran's oil reserves. You've eliminated one of the standing armies of resistance to the Zionism of Israel. Oil prices are up. The Defense industry is happy. Business is good and the Anglo Saudi American elites are doing well. In their minds, if they could only address the Iranian "problem" to also better secure their Zionist interests, the plan would be deemed a success until they move against Venezuela. During WWI the Anglo American Allies were more than willing to lose thousands in a single day for an opposing trench line, what is the meaning of life to them? How many lives did they lose in South East Asia trying to control the Drug Trade and Rubber plantations? While wishing to deprive a misconceived delusional feared domino of Communist bases in the area resulting in a complete fiasco of the Viet Nam Wall but nevertheless, still profiting the American defense industry of today. Remember the Maine in Cuba of the Spanish American War, Tonkin Gulf, etc. The False Flag operations of deceit and attempts to capitalize on "tragedies" are the American Way of pursuing life, liberty and happiness at the expense of humanity. To them every cloud has a silver lining for their profiteering pockets since they and their allies are the crusading capitalists of grief, doom and conquest.

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Democracy Sceptic 3 July, 2008, 21:16

As a Brit, I’m perplexed as to what makes a British born young man of Asian family origin want to leave his homeland and go to Pakistan and / or Afghanistan and learn how to kill and maim persons, who for the most part have no quarrel with their religion. Indeed many of these terrorist’s victims have themselves been of Islamic faith. Those that have been found guilty of terrorist activities are usually from non fundamentalist Muslim families. They have become well educated and therefore have a good potential for future gainful employment and lifestyle. Most of them have attended mosques within their areas often to be preached to by men who have come from distant countries and cultures, who teach a way of living, with an inherent intolerance for other faiths that does not bode well within a modern industrial lifestyle, in which virtual equality of the sexes prevail. I can acknowledge that a good Islamic person does not drink alcohol or use abusive language. Thus, I can appreciate that they may well be angered by a not insignificant number of young indigenous Brits living within the same areas as themselves, who go regularly at weekends to pubs and clubs to get intoxicated. These young people are later prone to bad behaviour including abusive language and young females often act in a manner that a good Muslim is bound to find unacceptable. Is this a motivator for the development of hatred within a western society? If so, can they not see that this behaviour isn’t typical for a large majority of Britain’s population? Perhaps there’s resentment that people living in the west can earn much more money than people living in the majority of Muslim countries? Having been to some Middle East countries I recognise what a relatively soft life I enjoy in comparison to many in those countries (but I’ve never had much time for sitting in tea houses playing back gammon during the working day). Whatever, their reasons for becoming involved in fundamentalist Islamist terrorism, I cannot believe that any correctly interpreted book of faith, including the Koran, requires them to go out and kill other men, women and children around them.

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Sam 4 July, 2008, 07:53

Democracy Sceptic, in reference to the british muslims that join terrorist groups. You will find that most of them originated from middle class families so economics does not come to play here.Also most of the terrorists originate from very rich muslim countries.Do we need to be reminded that almost all 9/11 hijackers were saudis. I think that the main problem is how they see the foreign policies of the west which just happens to be christian.On the receiving end of those policies are usually muslim nations. Take as an example Israel,with 131 UN resolutions against her and condemned 321 times by the UN.Yet the west backs her in everything she does.Iraq did not have even up to 10% of that but got invaded anyway(on false reasons as we all know now) Or the Russian federation,s bringing Chechnya back under its control is another example, being that chechens are muslim and Russians christian.The fact that neither of them are likely to be practicing christians or muslims will not be seen by an observer who sees it as oppression of muslims. It is easy for a young muslim to see this as an attack on the his faith (a crusade if you like). The fact is that most conflicts rarely have religion as a cause for the last few hundreds of years.Its always land and money.Religion is brought in later intensionally or not.

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DaniYah 10 July, 2008, 17:17

john, You say that the CIA is not a terrorist organization. This is silly. Any, any, any organization on earth that instills terror by inflicting bodily harm is a terrorist organization. Ok, so the CIA is not alone. But as the most influential past recent memory, it is also has assumed the role of the greatest menace. By the way, it is not true that the CIA has become unstoppable. If you recall, the CIA was founded by a Nazi-linked Satanist organization called the Skull and Bones Order 322 of the Totenkopf that formed Hitler's most trusted special forces unit, incidentally also linked to a deep homosexual culture as the Skull and Bones and the CIA. The definition of terrorism today can be contributed to early Christianity that disavowed physical warfare. Since then it has been generally accepted and written into law to prevent physical conflicts (as the UN Charter) and to outlaw such forms of terrorism such as torture(also part of the UN, Geneva Convention.) Wider definitions include unprovoked acts of physical aggression. But the CIA has incorporated a clause into its working papers which call for "preemptive action". Action as such that IS terrorism by ALL lawful definitions. By this is terrorism defined. You can forget about the motives, we've already dealt with those in the past. It is already clear what the Great Satan is about ;-)

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