Georgia's January election: new crisis or reconciliation?, page 2


DD 8 January, 2008, 16:20	To Jina's "Russia is just one power hungry,possessed with arms and oil country" But so is your ideal "model" country, the USA. The difference is, your Western ideal nation uses these arms to kill thousands of innocent lives to get to this oil! The shame of your country and your "democratic" president is that he backs these killings, moreover just does anything imaginable to be a good and obedient poodle! I believe YOU should wake up and get a life, because with blaming Russia for all the incompetence of your government you wont get one step further in the good direction. Just as Poland's new government says, you can't have a bad relation with your neighbours! Maybe you should look at this example and see how things quickly can improve, for everybody. permalink quote 0 DD
Sanjay 8 January, 2008, 21:25	Georgia's problem is not election fraud or this or that matter. Its problem is a artificially induced psychological russo-phobia orchestrated by anglo-americans using Sakashvilli regime as an instrument. Georgians being a small and proud nation were always surrounded by ottomans and persians for over 7 centuries who regularly used to destroy their social fabric and rape and pillage their lives and property. Russians were the first who decisively helped georgians against ottomans and persian aggression and destruction. There were episodes when despite treaties and alliances, russians could not come to georgia's help, mostly due to their own internal crises or setbacks from other european powers who always supported the ottomans. The british support for ottomans is directly responsible for so many trajic events in georgia's history and yet georgians are being induced into rabid russophobia. Russia is in for big trouble if does not restore its influence in georgia. Russia should never govern or occupy georgia but it must also ensure that anglo-americans do not continue to take advantage of the situation. Eurasia must be influenced by responsible and non-confrontational powers like russia, Europe led by germany and france, and India who can ensure stability and work jointly against terrorism and stabilize other rising powers in the east. Anglo-americans do not have any desire to fight against terrorism and radical ideologies. Despite 9/11 US is remarkably secure surrounded by pacific and atlantic with both american continents having 98% or more christian or nominally christian populations. Britain too is infinitely more secure being an island country. Anglo-americans do not face an existential threat. They are using war on terrorism as a means to control eurasia and weaken Russia by aiding Chechans and other radicals, weaken India by aiding all weather ally pakistan and aiding turks and albanians to infiltrate europe. Life will not be easy for Russia-Europe-India in the future. permalink quote 0 Sanjay
Robert 9 January, 2008, 03:27	Goverments sole purpose is to protects is citizens(plato said goverments are a necessary evil).Whether it be Socialist or Capitalist. All parties should be held liable for the way they conduct there political campaigns. I believe that Georgia belongs to the World International Court.Or is subject to there jurisdiction.So this polititions better conduct themselves within there legal frame work of the law without hurting anyone or themselves. permalink quote 0 Robert
Sevodnya_Net 9 January, 2008, 10:37	"Georgia's problem is not election fraud or this or that matter. Its problem is a artificially induced psychological russo-phobia orchestrated by anglo-americans using Sakashvilli regime as an instrument." One of Georgia's problems as far as Russia is concerned is its refusal to sell itself - literally - to its large neighbour as, for example, Armenia has done. Although Armenia has discovered that the Russian-owned mining industry has not meant jobs for its own citizens, rather has seen cheap Indian labour being brought in instead. I don't think there is any "Russophobia" in Georgia. People remember the Soviet repression of the late eighties and are well aware of the difficulties caused by current economic sanctions but despite this Russia isn't really an issue - doubtless to the intense irritation of Russia :-) It wil be interesting to see what comes of the opposition protest against the election results. permalink quote 0 Sevodnya_Net
Margo 10 January, 2008, 11:26	Just few days after Saakashvili proclaimed his victory, the OCSE commission chief and diplomat Dieter Boden wrote on the "Frankfurter Rundshau" that their previous positive comments about the fairness of the Georgian elections has dramatically changed. It's becoming more and more evident, he says, that the elections have been anything but fair, that gross forgeries have taken place and basically the whole election has been a fraude. Personally I never doubted this would happen, since the US put their claws deep into Georgia and would no let it go easily . The Georgian people should realise they have been deceived and used, and that they are going to be used further more in the interests of US and NATO which are desperate to set up their bases in that region, so that in the future they could move against Iran, Russia and China. By the way, if the elections were counterfeited, there are good chances that the positive outcome about entering NATO was a fraude too. permalink quote 0 Margo
Sevodnya_Net 10 January, 2008, 12:45	. but even if the opposition wins the election, they are just as "pro Western" as Mr Saakashvili. Like it or not the issues in the Georgian election are not about a tug of love between east and west, but about how the Government is perceived to be doing with regards to its people. It's true that the west would prefer Mr Saakashvili to remain in power, though that it is mainly because he's a known quantity. But Georgia will never go back to being a proxy state of Russia, and the current Russian govt knows this and just hates it :-) I think it's possible to wish an independent and free Georgia well without selling one's soul to the Americans :-):-) Finally, I don't think, actually, that anyone is now seriously claiming that the "wrong side" won. Undoubtedly the election was flawed and certainly skewed in favour of the president, although the latter is typical of most elections (apart from Russia's of course!). permalink quote 0 Sevodnya_Net
Margo 10 January, 2008, 16:20	Who talks about Georgia being again a "satellite" of Russia? I am talking about what is going on in that country and about the fact taht, like you say, it would be much better and wise, if they could be really free and independent, keeping a good relationship with all their neighbours, including Russia. But they don't think independently, and worse of all they don't realise they are just a tool in US/Nato hands. For a long long time. permalink quote 0 Margo
dan 19 January, 2008, 14:14	It seems like RT and many others have stopped criticising Georgia since Putin called the new Georgian President to offer his congratulations on his election victory.It says so much for your so called freedom of press permalink quote 0 dan
Sevodnya_Net 19 January, 2008, 17:48	I don't imagine President Putin felt that comfortable at the idea of mass protests on his doorstep against the Georgian elections, particularly as on this occasion he could hardly claim that they were inspired by shadowy western forces! Seriously, hopefully this will mark the start of better relations between the two countries. And if the Russian President attends Mr Saakashvili's re-inauguration, Mikheil may send him back with a couple of bottles of wine and mineral water as a present, as a pointed reminder of the sanctions Russia still has in force against its neighbour. I don't think RT is subject to censorship - mind you we could do with the topic about the diplomatic row between Britain and Russia being re-instated, please! permalink quote 0 Sevodnya_Net

DD 8 January, 2008, 16:20

To Jina's "Russia is just one power hungry,possessed with arms and oil country" But so is your ideal "model" country, the USA. The difference is, your Western ideal nation uses these arms to kill thousands of innocent lives to get to this oil! The shame of your country and your "democratic" president is that he backs these killings, moreover just does anything imaginable to be a good and obedient poodle! I believe YOU should wake up and get a life, because with blaming Russia for all the incompetence of your government you wont get one step further in the good direction. Just as Poland's new government says, you can't have a bad relation with your neighbours! Maybe you should look at this example and see how things quickly can improve, for everybody.

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Sanjay 8 January, 2008, 21:25

Georgia's problem is not election fraud or this or that matter. Its problem is a artificially induced psychological russo-phobia orchestrated by anglo-americans using Sakashvilli regime as an instrument. Georgians being a small and proud nation were always surrounded by ottomans and persians for over 7 centuries who regularly used to destroy their social fabric and rape and pillage their lives and property. Russians were the first who decisively helped georgians against ottomans and persian aggression and destruction. There were episodes when despite treaties and alliances, russians could not come to georgia's help, mostly due to their own internal crises or setbacks from other european powers who always supported the ottomans. The british support for ottomans is directly responsible for so many trajic events in georgia's history and yet georgians are being induced into rabid russophobia. Russia is in for big trouble if does not restore its influence in georgia. Russia should never govern or occupy georgia but it must also ensure that anglo-americans do not continue to take advantage of the situation. Eurasia must be influenced by responsible and non-confrontational powers like russia, Europe led by germany and france, and India who can ensure stability and work jointly against terrorism and stabilize other rising powers in the east. Anglo-americans do not have any desire to fight against terrorism and radical ideologies. Despite 9/11 US is remarkably secure surrounded by pacific and atlantic with both american continents having 98% or more christian or nominally christian populations. Britain too is infinitely more secure being an island country. Anglo-americans do not face an existential threat. They are using war on terrorism as a means to control eurasia and weaken Russia by aiding Chechans and other radicals, weaken India by aiding all weather ally pakistan and aiding turks and albanians to infiltrate europe. Life will not be easy for Russia-Europe-India in the future.

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Robert 9 January, 2008, 03:27

Goverments sole purpose is to protects is citizens(plato said goverments are a necessary evil).Whether it be Socialist or Capitalist. All parties should be held liable for the way they conduct there political campaigns. I believe that Georgia belongs to the World International Court.Or is subject to there jurisdiction.So this polititions better conduct themselves within there legal frame work of the law without hurting anyone or themselves.

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Sevodnya_Net 9 January, 2008, 10:37

"Georgia's problem is not election fraud or this or that matter. Its problem is a artificially induced psychological russo-phobia orchestrated by anglo-americans using Sakashvilli regime as an instrument." One of Georgia's problems as far as Russia is concerned is its refusal to sell itself - literally - to its large neighbour as, for example, Armenia has done. Although Armenia has discovered that the Russian-owned mining industry has not meant jobs for its own citizens, rather has seen cheap Indian labour being brought in instead. I don't think there is any "Russophobia" in Georgia. People remember the Soviet repression of the late eighties and are well aware of the difficulties caused by current economic sanctions but despite this Russia isn't really an issue - doubtless to the intense irritation of Russia :-) It wil be interesting to see what comes of the opposition protest against the election results.

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Margo 10 January, 2008, 11:26

Just few days after Saakashvili proclaimed his victory, the OCSE commission chief and diplomat Dieter Boden wrote on the "Frankfurter Rundshau" that their previous positive comments about the fairness of the Georgian elections has dramatically changed. It's becoming more and more evident, he says, that the elections have been anything but fair, that gross forgeries have taken place and basically the whole election has been a fraude. Personally I never doubted this would happen, since the US put their claws deep into Georgia and would no let it go easily . The Georgian people should realise they have been deceived and used, and that they are going to be used further more in the interests of US and NATO which are desperate to set up their bases in that region, so that in the future they could move against Iran, Russia and China. By the way, if the elections were counterfeited, there are good chances that the positive outcome about entering NATO was a fraude too.

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Sevodnya_Net 10 January, 2008, 12:45

. but even if the opposition wins the election, they are just as "pro Western" as Mr Saakashvili. Like it or not the issues in the Georgian election are not about a tug of love between east and west, but about how the Government is perceived to be doing with regards to its people. It's true that the west would prefer Mr Saakashvili to remain in power, though that it is mainly because he's a known quantity. But Georgia will never go back to being a proxy state of Russia, and the current Russian govt knows this and just hates it :-) I think it's possible to wish an independent and free Georgia well without selling one's soul to the Americans :-):-) Finally, I don't think, actually, that anyone is now seriously claiming that the "wrong side" won. Undoubtedly the election was flawed and certainly skewed in favour of the president, although the latter is typical of most elections (apart from Russia's of course!).

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Margo 10 January, 2008, 16:20

Who talks about Georgia being again a "satellite" of Russia? I am talking about what is going on in that country and about the fact taht, like you say, it would be much better and wise, if they could be really free and independent, keeping a good relationship with all their neighbours, including Russia. But they don't think independently, and worse of all they don't realise they are just a tool in US/Nato hands. For a long long time.

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dan 19 January, 2008, 14:14

It seems like RT and many others have stopped criticising Georgia since Putin called the new Georgian President to offer his congratulations on his election victory.It says so much for your so called freedom of press

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Sevodnya_Net 19 January, 2008, 17:48

I don't imagine President Putin felt that comfortable at the idea of mass protests on his doorstep against the Georgian elections, particularly as on this occasion he could hardly claim that they were inspired by shadowy western forces! Seriously, hopefully this will mark the start of better relations between the two countries. And if the Russian President attends Mr Saakashvili's re-inauguration, Mikheil may send him back with a couple of bottles of wine and mineral water as a present, as a pointed reminder of the sanctions Russia still has in force against its neighbour. I don't think RT is subject to censorship - mind you we could do with the topic about the diplomatic row between Britain and Russia being re-instated, please!

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