U.S. antimissiles in Europe: a safer world or a new arms race?, page 8


Ormoz 9 July, 2008, 01:11	If you were the president of a country in which 100.000 companies were directly or indirectly involved in military contracts, milions of jobs depending on those contracts and you as the president and your fellow congressmen, senators and politicians were making bilions because of those contracts, would you do anything to promote peace in the world????????? permalink quote 0 Ormoz
Tiane 9 July, 2008, 06:47	I was so disappointed with some correspondents, specifically Beriya as his contry has been freed by US, not by its own people, and then u all let US to do anything, and u know weapon including AMD that US is to intall in your country is not a mean to maintain peace and keep your country development in a gradual pace. Again, distancing your country from Russia will jeopardize yourself. permalink quote 0 Tiane
SrpskiCrnogorac 9 July, 2008, 08:26	"My country just like the rest of E.Europe recently have become free - with American help - from the brutal Russian oppression that lasted more than 50 years.It's normal that the Czech wants to be protected from the Kreml." You are never ever a Czech, becaue a Czech would never say such a rubbish. To all the other whining, oppressed east europeans: If the Soviet Union was such imperialistic and oppressive, why didn´t they invade Tito´s Yugoslavia but even expelled it from Cominform? The answer is, because Yugoslavia did not need so much help from SU to liberate itself from the german pestilence, while all other countries were entirely liberated by Soviet troops. But of course, here are mostly complaining Nazi collaborators like Balts and Romanians. It is disgusting to read you, and I am awaiting the time when you will be punished for this. permalink quote 0 SrpskiCrnogorac
DD 9 July, 2008, 09:33	Beriya, Welcome to the American Imperium!! Just as other Easter European nationals, you too seem to be a person with idiotic believes!! Maybe you should better remember the mass murders in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, even Vietnam & Laos or comment on Guantanamo concentration camp and the secret cia torture camps within your and other East European countries. You don't wish to fall again under an imaginate neo-stalinist imperialism, but accept US neo-con imperialism with open arms! Please don't use old history to camouflage your pro US imperialistic tendencies, but look at the facts happening today. We all remember your history, but we also know for sure that it wasn't so bad as it is for the Iraqi's and many others today! permalink quote 0 DD
Dimensions 9 July, 2008, 13:03	Not really sure there is a good answer to this question. A safer world? After researching the cold war and the arms race of that time and the testing of the TSAR bomb Im not really sure there could be another arms race. The weapons of today there is no defence for, so in that matter I really dont see why Russia has a problem with the antimissle system. It has long been known that when Russia went to war in the middle east the USA did do some things that did undermind them. The only thing I would ask is go talk to the few people left that lived during world war 2. If what we are fighting for is leadership of the world then I leave this question. Has there ever been a nation to rule the world ? The days of conventional fighting are almost over. The antimissle defence is a last stand defensive effort by the USA to try and prevent another world war. Period. permalink quote 0 Dimensions
Arina 9 July, 2008, 13:16	To Beriya, Muslims are not Crazy, if they were they would have already acted crazily since they developed nuclear weapon, Pakistan or Iran never used their weapon of civilians, WHILE your CRAZY amricans have used Atomic weapons on civilians, who is crazy muslims or your sugar daddy american? as for the reality shows, America just wants you to be divided, and only threat US has is Russia and so it just want every one to turn against Russia. permalink quote 0 Arina
Garry 9 July, 2008, 14:08	Funny that some think the US had anything to do with freeing Eastern Europe from Soviet Oppression. I thought that was Gorbys and Yeltsins doing. Regarding mass murder. well the Germans and the Japanese did plenty of that too, but they seem to have been assimilated back into respectable society. And Gulags. name one country that doesn't oppress its political opposition? I doubt Russia even wants to pass water over Poland, this issue is about the strategic weapons balance. An ABM system is a strategic weapon and adding new ones around the place effect the strategic deterrent. The purpose of MAD or mutually assured destruction is making the enemy think there is no winning a nuclear war. Ship based, America based and Europe based ABM systems give a false sense of security to America that undermines Russias nuclear deterrence. Russia wanting to maintain that deterrance is portrayed in the west as aggression, but you maintain deterrence so that you don't have to use those terrible weapons. America is creating a false sense of security against a possible future minor threat by painting a potential ally into a corner to make them at best a rival, at worst an enemy again. Russia has no interest in Iran having nukes any more than the US has, but if the US keeps going the way it is going it will end up with a cold war again and for the same reasons, which had nothing to do with a fight against communism. The west was clearly able to befriend communist china during the cold war and also Communist Soviet Union during WWII. permalink quote 0 Garry
Ormoz 10 July, 2008, 01:57	I have another question, who is threatening the US?? Iran?? The Iranian government tries it's best to prove Russia wrong and the US right every time the Russians raise their voice against the Radar and anti missiles in Poland and czec. Just today we heard and saw their missiles “being tested”!!! What a good time to do so. Just a day after Russians were trying to use the G8 to highlight the plan and show to the world that Iran doesn’t have the capability and capacity to hit US or its allies. Just a day after the US and Czechs signed the agreement to install the bases. Condoleeza Rice’s latest comments say it all:” Those who say that there is no Iranian threat against which we should build a defence system perhaps should talk to Iranians about their claims”. Last year exactly during the G8 summit Vladimir PUTIN tried the same but once again the Iranians came to the US rescue. The US and Iranian Islamic government’s covert relationship goes back for ages. The US government supplied weapons to Bosnian Muslims via the Iranian government and against the UN embargo at the time of conflict in Yuoslavia. Right Now they are busy installing an Islamic republic in Iraq together. Iran is a supporter of the US installed government of Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and has contributed at least $ 850 milions to help it. To me that doesn’t look like a real threat from Iran. Iran only plays the role of the enemy of the US on which the US government is increasing the defence budget as never before. So who is the enemy??? According to Carlos Fuentes and Noam Chomsky: “the US needs conflicts and enemies. If she doesn’t have any she creates them and finances and arms them.” The US economy thrives on conflicts as weapon industries and exports play a huge part in it. If the US asks the Ayatollahs who have no popular support in Iran and their necks are on line, they would dance to any tune the White House plays as they are their only supporters!!! Comments by an Iranian. permalink quote 0 Ormoz
Patriot for Global Peace 10 July, 2008, 04:57	I am an American. America is simply trying to prevent rogue govenments from causing irrepatable damage to other nations including our own. The anti-missles offer a chance to PROTECT us and other countries. Russia can have a person in the theater of the missle to see what is happening. So, then why are they concerned. They know the USA does not want war with them and they dont want war with us. They must have an alternative motive to quench the project. The cold war is over and we are friends with Russia. Iran is the danger here. They propose to harm Israel. They also have the weapons to do what they say. They have failed to sitdown at a meeting and be reasonable. It is not reasonalbe for any nation to want to or speak about whiping out another nation. This is an important time in the history of the world. We have many things to work on together. Like illness and disease. Science could progress further if we all worked together. Hunger could be abolished. We could get more people educated. It is sad that some in the name of religion harm others. No nation is innocent of this issue. Yet we must work to forge more aliances and become a global community. Most importantly, we must stop the haters from not just their ideas, but from them acting on their ideas to harm innocent people. The USA has been courageous in that indeavor and I salute the many men and women both past and present who have unselfishly served their country. Peace permalink quote 0 Patriot for Global Peace
IP 10 July, 2008, 08:48	Bush really has to go, his actions are not really supported by the US people. Well, thankfully he only has 4-5 months in office. Another "Bay of pigs" scenario in Eastern Europe is going to be an embarrassment for the US government, while the real threat of terrorism isnt actually being resolved. To Beriya: you should really speak carefully of the "muslim idiots" particularly in the US and their increasing numbers in Europe and the US. Those guys are the ones who caused a number of recent terrorist acts! And dont forget that your favourite USA does produce and sell a lot more weapons than Russia! permalink quote 0 IP
Beriya 10 July, 2008, 13:30	You are amazing, didn't you bombed Hungary to crush the revolution against the Russian occupation in 1956? Didn't your henchmen hanged the prime minister and many others? Didn't your tanks crushed the Czechs in 1968? Didn't your henchmen killed the Poles in Poznan in 56 and in Katyn before? Your killings at the Berlin Wall? How about Vorkuta, Magadan, Kolyma where you killed your own people by the million? America helped to get rid E. Europe of the Red yoke by bankrupting the Glorious Soviet Empire - read Solzhenitzyn instead of Stalin's speeches! You are backward, despotic country unable to manufacture even a decent car apart from Lada the Fiat nock off, and armaments of course only to subjugate the Baltics, Chechniya, and Eastern Europe. There is death, destruction, poverty wherever the "New Soviet Man" ever set foot. Look at Cuba, N. Korea a cesspool of terror and misery, your true mirror image. Can't you understand the E. Europeans don't want Russians on their soil anymore but without American help you would swallow up the whole Europe again. Just you to know I am a Hungarian Patriot. permalink quote 0 Beriya
bob 10 July, 2008, 15:09	What is going on? The US, Russia, Iran and other involved nations have their head shoved so far up their a#$ that they can't see daylight. We all have opinions on the conflict. The real reason all of this is happening is to see who's pee pee is bigger than the others. Oh they are a threat and if they do this we are going to do this. A bunch of whining little girls all of us. Just shut the hell up. Live life to the fullest, be happy, and quit trying to stir up a bunch of sh@# that don't make sense. We need to care for one another. Instead of worring about whos Johnson is bigger!!! All I here is hatred toward one another. My only wish is to put me in a room with leaders from all countries involved lock the door and let ME beat some since into them and if its a pee pee measuring contest they all want I will win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! permalink quote 0 bob
Sam 10 July, 2008, 18:44	So Patriot for Global Peace,How would you classify a country to be a rogue nation or not? it seems to me that any country that does not follow the US foriegn policy is a rogue nation. Lets be fair,It is not a matter of who wants war or not.Its a matter of if they can have one and not be distroyed themselves. The Russians are seeing a military alliance that was created against them,poping up faster then mushrooms next to their borders with everyone there waving an olive branch singing lay down your arms we want to be friends:) Why is Iran a danger? It seems that it has more chance of being invaded then them doing any invading.Maybe thats why they want the bomb. I would say that with all the assistance Israel is getting from the USA,They have all the weapons to harm everyone in that region,and have done that over and over again, and for sure can repeal an attack without anyones help. Who here thinks that as soon as Iran can make a nuclear missile(Which Israel already has) It will fire it at Israel or the USA? I think its all for defensive reasons,as it has been shown that if you have the bomb no one will ever invade you. You are discribing a fantasy world here with everyone helping to save the planet. How about the USA setting an example,pull back all her forces,close all the bases,cut the millitary by half. Think of all the money saved.Then give it to africa:) Yes it will never happen.Yet the USA is expecting Russia not to respond to AMS next to her borders. This is sad but also fair for Russia to target these bases with her nukes and therefore again pointing missiles at europe for the first time since the USSR. permalink quote 0 Sam
charles 10 July, 2008, 19:04	i am quite sure the us anti-missiles in europe would definitely set off a new arms race as am sure russia would not sit idly by and watch iy being encircle by us.if the russians have forgotten the cuban missile crisis which the americans forced them to remove a similar system from cuba,they should put on their thinking cap fast. permalink quote 0 charles
Ormoz 11 July, 2008, 01:28	The news today confirms my previous posts here. I heard on RT that France Press says the pictures released by the Iranian TV showing Iranian missiles being fired were fake and old and have been edited!!! Why is the Iranian government doing that??? The Americans needed to show that there is a threat from Iran in order to justify the installation of the radar bases in Eastern Europe. Condoleeza rice was signing the agreement with the Czech government and the pictures were urgently needed to convince the world opinion simultaneously. The Iranian government rushed to rescue but because they were in hurry they messed up. They did not have any missiles ready to fire and they used old pictures…….this happens when two countries have covert diplomatic relations…. the messages don’t reach the other part in time and delays are common!!!!! permalink quote 0 Ormoz
Sam 11 July, 2008, 07:55	Beriya what an emotional statement. However you are very short sighted and self centred. Eastern Europe is not the centre of the world,you like it or not. If you want to show how badly the USSR and Russia were,why stop there.Be fair and include the whole world. How about The USA sending apartheid South Africans to invade a black African Country like Angola.I tell you,It did not go down too well with the Africans and they still remember this. How about the coup origanised by Belgium and the USA to take over a elected government in the Congo.With the Belgians personally torturing and killing Patrice Lumumba.The guy was not even communist,just that he did not want to play ball. How about the USA giving the South Koreans permission to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners. ETC,ETC,ETC. World over,Both The USA and USSR created untold suffering for others. You may see it as the USA saving Eastern Europe,but had it occured to you that with all the dictator culture created by the west in places like Africa may be responsible for what has happened to it? This still continues. Mugabe,The guy was a dectator there since 1989.The Queen even gave him the honoury Knighthood while he was still a dictator.When he turned his attension on the lands still held by ex colonists,My country suddenly remembered that he is a dictator.Other African countries took the lands owned by colonists(which as we know were taken by force from the indiginous people) immediately after independance.So why did Mugabe wait 20 years? So if you want to start measuring who did what and who saved who. I think you will find that The USSR and Cuba saved Angola from the same faith suffered by the blacks already in South Africa.Is that not a dramatic statement? Yet it is true. Both sides were equally evil,Their self interest is all that matters, suffering of others does not.It still continues to this day. As for only being able to make the Lada:) Then I have to say,that putting the first man in space in a Lada is a greater achievement by the Russians then I imagined.LOL permalink quote 0 Sam
Beriya 11 July, 2008, 14:37	Sam, you are writing a bunch of nonsense: the subject of this thread is Eastern Europe thus this is the “center of the world” as far as the discussion concern. What Mugabe has gotten to do with your occupation of the Prague Spring of ‘68? Or South Africa with the absolute abject destruction of Hungary by the Red Army in 1956? You have nothing to refute the sad fact so you try to bang the table with your shoe like Khrushchev did before. You are arming this crazy Ahmadinejad who wants to destroy Israel - which is like music to you ears since Russians hate the Jews - but we don’t want to help you with a second Holocaust. We know Stalin deported the Jews to Birobidjan Siberia and after that the Soviets armed the Arabs to kill the Jews during 1967 but because they did not succeed, now you are trying again with the Iranians. We don’t want nuclear radiation infested Middle East, a Nuclear Death zone so we try to protect ourselves with 10 - TEN! interceptor rockets. You have thousands of nuclear rockets why are you afraid of 10 UNARMED interceptors? You are afraid that the IRANIANS cannot kill the Jews, that is why you are hysterical and threaten the whole Europe. You killed the Hungarians, the Czechs, the Jews, the Baltic’s, the Poles: that is Eastern Europe! Not Africa buddy! permalink quote 0 Beriya
DD 11 July, 2008, 14:46	Beriya; " a Hungarian Patriot" you meant probably "an Hungarian Idiot" permalink quote 0 DD
johann 11 July, 2008, 20:35	To Sam, Your „suggestion”with the first man in space in Lada was really great…i see it in front of my eyes the Lada flying…yes,really great indeed. Now to Beriya:i don’t remember such a thing that the soviets had bombed Hungary in 1956.It must be a mistake,this was happened in ww2,even then ,mostly the US Air Force have done this „job”predominantly from their bases in Italy.Durring the Hungarian revolution in 1956,the US and the West have done nothing just sitting and assisting…they don’t wanted to risk a major conflagration (maybe nuclear)The only resonable thing the West could have do and has done it , was to accept the masses of refugees.In other words,this was regarded as an internal affair of the Soviet block,the rest was just barking in wind… permalink quote 0 johann
Beriya 12 July, 2008, 12:55	Johann: Why are you denying that our "Brothers" bombed Budapest in 1956? I was there and I spent 3 years in the Gulag in Hungary. Here is the BBC report: "1956: Soviet troops overrun Hungary The Soviet air force has bombed part of the Hungarian capital, Budapest, and Russian troops have poured into the city in a massive dawn offensive. At least 1,000 Soviet tanks are reported to have entered Budapest and troops deployed throughout the country are battling with Hungarian forces for strategic positions. The Soviet invasion is a response to the national uprising led by Prime Minister Imre Nagy, who has promised the Hungarian people independence and political freedom. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/4/newsid_2739000/2739039.stm." Why don't you type into Google these words: -plenty of article to be read. What is the point to deny History? ------------------------------------------To the people at RUSSIA TODAY: I want to express my honest appreciation for your honesty and courage for publishing very critical opinions in regard to Russian politics. You are truly a democratic publication, not censoring unpleasant facts. We have high regards for the Russian Arts, Literature, Music and for the Russian people in general but the pain you inflicted upon us in E. Europe is still too close in time, the victims still around us so emotions can flare up when you are treating whole Europe again because of 10 unarmed rockets. permalink quote 0 Beriya

Ormoz 9 July, 2008, 01:11

If you were the president of a country in which 100.000 companies were directly or indirectly involved in military contracts, milions of jobs depending on those contracts and you as the president and your fellow congressmen, senators and politicians were making bilions because of those contracts, would you do anything to promote peace in the world?????????

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Tiane 9 July, 2008, 06:47

I was so disappointed with some correspondents, specifically Beriya as his contry has been freed by US, not by its own people, and then u all let US to do anything, and u know weapon including AMD that US is to intall in your country is not a mean to maintain peace and keep your country development in a gradual pace. Again, distancing your country from Russia will jeopardize yourself.

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SrpskiCrnogorac 9 July, 2008, 08:26

"My country just like the rest of E.Europe recently have become free - with American help - from the brutal Russian oppression that lasted more than 50 years.It's normal that the Czech wants to be protected from the Kreml." You are never ever a Czech, becaue a Czech would never say such a rubbish. To all the other whining, oppressed east europeans: If the Soviet Union was such imperialistic and oppressive, why didn´t they invade Tito´s Yugoslavia but even expelled it from Cominform? The answer is, because Yugoslavia did not need so much help from SU to liberate itself from the german pestilence, while all other countries were entirely liberated by Soviet troops. But of course, here are mostly complaining Nazi collaborators like Balts and Romanians. It is disgusting to read you, and I am awaiting the time when you will be punished for this.

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DD 9 July, 2008, 09:33

Beriya, Welcome to the American Imperium!! Just as other Easter European nationals, you too seem to be a person with idiotic believes!! Maybe you should better remember the mass murders in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, even Vietnam & Laos or comment on Guantanamo concentration camp and the secret cia torture camps within your and other East European countries. You don't wish to fall again under an imaginate neo-stalinist imperialism, but accept US neo-con imperialism with open arms! Please don't use old history to camouflage your pro US imperialistic tendencies, but look at the facts happening today. We all remember your history, but we also know for sure that it wasn't so bad as it is for the Iraqi's and many others today!

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Dimensions 9 July, 2008, 13:03

Not really sure there is a good answer to this question. A safer world? After researching the cold war and the arms race of that time and the testing of the TSAR bomb Im not really sure there could be another arms race. The weapons of today there is no defence for, so in that matter I really dont see why Russia has a problem with the antimissle system. It has long been known that when Russia went to war in the middle east the USA did do some things that did undermind them. The only thing I would ask is go talk to the few people left that lived during world war 2. If what we are fighting for is leadership of the world then I leave this question. Has there ever been a nation to rule the world ? The days of conventional fighting are almost over. The antimissle defence is a last stand defensive effort by the USA to try and prevent another world war. Period.

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Arina 9 July, 2008, 13:16

To Beriya, Muslims are not Crazy, if they were they would have already acted crazily since they developed nuclear weapon, Pakistan or Iran never used their weapon of civilians, WHILE your CRAZY amricans have used Atomic weapons on civilians, who is crazy muslims or your sugar daddy american? as for the reality shows, America just wants you to be divided, and only threat US has is Russia and so it just want every one to turn against Russia.

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Garry 9 July, 2008, 14:08

Funny that some think the US had anything to do with freeing Eastern Europe from Soviet Oppression. I thought that was Gorbys and Yeltsins doing. Regarding mass murder. well the Germans and the Japanese did plenty of that too, but they seem to have been assimilated back into respectable society. And Gulags. name one country that doesn't oppress its political opposition? I doubt Russia even wants to pass water over Poland, this issue is about the strategic weapons balance. An ABM system is a strategic weapon and adding new ones around the place effect the strategic deterrent. The purpose of MAD or mutually assured destruction is making the enemy think there is no winning a nuclear war. Ship based, America based and Europe based ABM systems give a false sense of security to America that undermines Russias nuclear deterrence. Russia wanting to maintain that deterrance is portrayed in the west as aggression, but you maintain deterrence so that you don't have to use those terrible weapons. America is creating a false sense of security against a possible future minor threat by painting a potential ally into a corner to make them at best a rival, at worst an enemy again. Russia has no interest in Iran having nukes any more than the US has, but if the US keeps going the way it is going it will end up with a cold war again and for the same reasons, which had nothing to do with a fight against communism. The west was clearly able to befriend communist china during the cold war and also Communist Soviet Union during WWII.

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Ormoz 10 July, 2008, 01:57

I have another question, who is threatening the US?? Iran?? The Iranian government tries it's best to prove Russia wrong and the US right every time the Russians raise their voice against the Radar and anti missiles in Poland and czec. Just today we heard and saw their missiles “being tested”!!! What a good time to do so. Just a day after Russians were trying to use the G8 to highlight the plan and show to the world that Iran doesn’t have the capability and capacity to hit US or its allies. Just a day after the US and Czechs signed the agreement to install the bases. Condoleeza Rice’s latest comments say it all:” Those who say that there is no Iranian threat against which we should build a defence system perhaps should talk to Iranians about their claims”. Last year exactly during the G8 summit Vladimir PUTIN tried the same but once again the Iranians came to the US rescue. The US and Iranian Islamic government’s covert relationship goes back for ages. The US government supplied weapons to Bosnian Muslims via the Iranian government and against the UN embargo at the time of conflict in Yuoslavia. Right Now they are busy installing an Islamic republic in Iraq together. Iran is a supporter of the US installed government of Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and has contributed at least $ 850 milions to help it. To me that doesn’t look like a real threat from Iran. Iran only plays the role of the enemy of the US on which the US government is increasing the defence budget as never before. So who is the enemy??? According to Carlos Fuentes and Noam Chomsky: “the US needs conflicts and enemies. If she doesn’t have any she creates them and finances and arms them.” The US economy thrives on conflicts as weapon industries and exports play a huge part in it. If the US asks the Ayatollahs who have no popular support in Iran and their necks are on line, they would dance to any tune the White House plays as they are their only supporters!!! Comments by an Iranian.

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Patriot for Global Peace 10 July, 2008, 04:57

I am an American. America is simply trying to prevent rogue govenments from causing irrepatable damage to other nations including our own. The anti-missles offer a chance to PROTECT us and other countries. Russia can have a person in the theater of the missle to see what is happening. So, then why are they concerned. They know the USA does not want war with them and they dont want war with us. They must have an alternative motive to quench the project. The cold war is over and we are friends with Russia. Iran is the danger here. They propose to harm Israel. They also have the weapons to do what they say. They have failed to sitdown at a meeting and be reasonable. It is not reasonalbe for any nation to want to or speak about whiping out another nation. This is an important time in the history of the world. We have many things to work on together. Like illness and disease. Science could progress further if we all worked together. Hunger could be abolished. We could get more people educated. It is sad that some in the name of religion harm others. No nation is innocent of this issue. Yet we must work to forge more aliances and become a global community. Most importantly, we must stop the haters from not just their ideas, but from them acting on their ideas to harm innocent people. The USA has been courageous in that indeavor and I salute the many men and women both past and present who have unselfishly served their country. Peace

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IP 10 July, 2008, 08:48

Bush really has to go, his actions are not really supported by the US people. Well, thankfully he only has 4-5 months in office. Another "Bay of pigs" scenario in Eastern Europe is going to be an embarrassment for the US government, while the real threat of terrorism isnt actually being resolved. To Beriya: you should really speak carefully of the "muslim idiots" particularly in the US and their increasing numbers in Europe and the US. Those guys are the ones who caused a number of recent terrorist acts! And dont forget that your favourite USA does produce and sell a lot more weapons than Russia!

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Beriya 10 July, 2008, 13:30

You are amazing, didn't you bombed Hungary to crush the revolution against the Russian occupation in 1956? Didn't your henchmen hanged the prime minister and many others? Didn't your tanks crushed the Czechs in 1968? Didn't your henchmen killed the Poles in Poznan in 56 and in Katyn before? Your killings at the Berlin Wall? How about Vorkuta, Magadan, Kolyma where you killed your own people by the million? America helped to get rid E. Europe of the Red yoke by bankrupting the Glorious Soviet Empire - read Solzhenitzyn instead of Stalin's speeches! You are backward, despotic country unable to manufacture even a decent car apart from Lada the Fiat nock off, and armaments of course only to subjugate the Baltics, Chechniya, and Eastern Europe. There is death, destruction, poverty wherever the "New Soviet Man" ever set foot. Look at Cuba, N. Korea a cesspool of terror and misery, your true mirror image. Can't you understand the E. Europeans don't want Russians on their soil anymore but without American help you would swallow up the whole Europe again. Just you to know I am a Hungarian Patriot.

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bob 10 July, 2008, 15:09

What is going on? The US, Russia, Iran and other involved nations have their head shoved so far up their a#$ that they can't see daylight. We all have opinions on the conflict. The real reason all of this is happening is to see who's pee pee is bigger than the others. Oh they are a threat and if they do this we are going to do this. A bunch of whining little girls all of us. Just shut the hell up. Live life to the fullest, be happy, and quit trying to stir up a bunch of sh@# that don't make sense. We need to care for one another. Instead of worring about whos Johnson is bigger!!! All I here is hatred toward one another. My only wish is to put me in a room with leaders from all countries involved lock the door and let ME beat some since into them and if its a pee pee measuring contest they all want I will win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sam 10 July, 2008, 18:44

So Patriot for Global Peace,How would you classify a country to be a rogue nation or not? it seems to me that any country that does not follow the US foriegn policy is a rogue nation. Lets be fair,It is not a matter of who wants war or not.Its a matter of if they can have one and not be distroyed themselves. The Russians are seeing a military alliance that was created against them,poping up faster then mushrooms next to their borders with everyone there waving an olive branch singing lay down your arms we want to be friends:) Why is Iran a danger? It seems that it has more chance of being invaded then them doing any invading.Maybe thats why they want the bomb. I would say that with all the assistance Israel is getting from the USA,They have all the weapons to harm everyone in that region,and have done that over and over again, and for sure can repeal an attack without anyones help. Who here thinks that as soon as Iran can make a nuclear missile(Which Israel already has) It will fire it at Israel or the USA? I think its all for defensive reasons,as it has been shown that if you have the bomb no one will ever invade you. You are discribing a fantasy world here with everyone helping to save the planet. How about the USA setting an example,pull back all her forces,close all the bases,cut the millitary by half. Think of all the money saved.Then give it to africa:) Yes it will never happen.Yet the USA is expecting Russia not to respond to AMS next to her borders. This is sad but also fair for Russia to target these bases with her nukes and therefore again pointing missiles at europe for the first time since the USSR.

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charles 10 July, 2008, 19:04

i am quite sure the us anti-missiles in europe would definitely set off a new arms race as am sure russia would not sit idly by and watch iy being encircle by us.if the russians have forgotten the cuban missile crisis which the americans forced them to remove a similar system from cuba,they should put on their thinking cap fast.

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Ormoz 11 July, 2008, 01:28

The news today confirms my previous posts here. I heard on RT that France Press says the pictures released by the Iranian TV showing Iranian missiles being fired were fake and old and have been edited!!! Why is the Iranian government doing that??? The Americans needed to show that there is a threat from Iran in order to justify the installation of the radar bases in Eastern Europe. Condoleeza rice was signing the agreement with the Czech government and the pictures were urgently needed to convince the world opinion simultaneously. The Iranian government rushed to rescue but because they were in hurry they messed up. They did not have any missiles ready to fire and they used old pictures…….this happens when two countries have covert diplomatic relations…. the messages don’t reach the other part in time and delays are common!!!!!

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Sam 11 July, 2008, 07:55

Beriya what an emotional statement. However you are very short sighted and self centred. Eastern Europe is not the centre of the world,you like it or not. If you want to show how badly the USSR and Russia were,why stop there.Be fair and include the whole world. How about The USA sending apartheid South Africans to invade a black African Country like Angola.I tell you,It did not go down too well with the Africans and they still remember this. How about the coup origanised by Belgium and the USA to take over a elected government in the Congo.With the Belgians personally torturing and killing Patrice Lumumba.The guy was not even communist,just that he did not want to play ball. How about the USA giving the South Koreans permission to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners. ETC,ETC,ETC. World over,Both The USA and USSR created untold suffering for others. You may see it as the USA saving Eastern Europe,but had it occured to you that with all the dictator culture created by the west in places like Africa may be responsible for what has happened to it? This still continues. Mugabe,The guy was a dectator there since 1989.The Queen even gave him the honoury Knighthood while he was still a dictator.When he turned his attension on the lands still held by ex colonists,My country suddenly remembered that he is a dictator.Other African countries took the lands owned by colonists(which as we know were taken by force from the indiginous people) immediately after independance.So why did Mugabe wait 20 years? So if you want to start measuring who did what and who saved who. I think you will find that The USSR and Cuba saved Angola from the same faith suffered by the blacks already in South Africa.Is that not a dramatic statement? Yet it is true. Both sides were equally evil,Their self interest is all that matters, suffering of others does not.It still continues to this day. As for only being able to make the Lada:) Then I have to say,that putting the first man in space in a Lada is a greater achievement by the Russians then I imagined.LOL

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Beriya 11 July, 2008, 14:37

Sam, you are writing a bunch of nonsense: the subject of this thread is Eastern Europe thus this is the “center of the world” as far as the discussion concern. What Mugabe has gotten to do with your occupation of the Prague Spring of ‘68? Or South Africa with the absolute abject destruction of Hungary by the Red Army in 1956? You have nothing to refute the sad fact so you try to bang the table with your shoe like Khrushchev did before. You are arming this crazy Ahmadinejad who wants to destroy Israel - which is like music to you ears since Russians hate the Jews - but we don’t want to help you with a second Holocaust. We know Stalin deported the Jews to Birobidjan Siberia and after that the Soviets armed the Arabs to kill the Jews during 1967 but because they did not succeed, now you are trying again with the Iranians. We don’t want nuclear radiation infested Middle East, a Nuclear Death zone so we try to protect ourselves with 10 - TEN! interceptor rockets. You have thousands of nuclear rockets why are you afraid of 10 UNARMED interceptors? You are afraid that the IRANIANS cannot kill the Jews, that is why you are hysterical and threaten the whole Europe. You killed the Hungarians, the Czechs, the Jews, the Baltic’s, the Poles: that is Eastern Europe! Not Africa buddy!

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DD 11 July, 2008, 14:46

Beriya; " a Hungarian Patriot" you meant probably "an Hungarian Idiot"

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johann 11 July, 2008, 20:35

To Sam, Your „suggestion”with the first man in space in Lada was really great…i see it in front of my eyes the Lada flying…yes,really great indeed. Now to Beriya:i don’t remember such a thing that the soviets had bombed Hungary in 1956.It must be a mistake,this was happened in ww2,even then ,mostly the US Air Force have done this „job”predominantly from their bases in Italy.Durring the Hungarian revolution in 1956,the US and the West have done nothing just sitting and assisting…they don’t wanted to risk a major conflagration (maybe nuclear)The only resonable thing the West could have do and has done it , was to accept the masses of refugees.In other words,this was regarded as an internal affair of the Soviet block,the rest was just barking in wind…

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Beriya 12 July, 2008, 12:55

Johann: Why are you denying that our "Brothers" bombed Budapest in 1956? I was there and I spent 3 years in the Gulag in Hungary. Here is the BBC report: "1956: Soviet troops overrun Hungary The Soviet air force has bombed part of the Hungarian capital, Budapest, and Russian troops have poured into the city in a massive dawn offensive. At least 1,000 Soviet tanks are reported to have entered Budapest and troops deployed throughout the country are battling with Hungarian forces for strategic positions. The Soviet invasion is a response to the national uprising led by Prime Minister Imre Nagy, who has promised the Hungarian people independence and political freedom. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/4/newsid_2739000/2739039.stm." Why don't you type into Google these words: -plenty of article to be read. What is the point to deny History? ------------------------------------------To the people at RUSSIA TODAY: I want to express my honest appreciation for your honesty and courage for publishing very critical opinions in regard to Russian politics. You are truly a democratic publication, not censoring unpleasant facts. We have high regards for the Russian Arts, Literature, Music and for the Russian people in general but the pain you inflicted upon us in E. Europe is still too close in time, the victims still around us so emotions can flare up when you are treating whole Europe again because of 10 unarmed rockets.

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