What can be done to end the violence in Georgia’s breakaway republics?, page 20


Lavy 20 August, 2008, 06:47	Every time you read a news item on Georgia or watch a news programme on TV, you feel like channels such as vomiting. That is because of the bias on channels such as CNN, BBC and ABC. permalink quote 0 Lavy
NickF 20 August, 2008, 07:09	About Nato council my comment is: "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on" (old saying) permalink quote 0 NickF
AbsS 20 August, 2008, 07:35	There is nothing that can be done to prevent that as long as the USA fights information war with their propaganda net so the truth fails to reach the people of the world, "revoliutions" initiated and backed by the US in varying colors jumps up and lots of other dirty things and secret agendas comes from the corporate and corrupted governments of the USA. permalink quote 0 AbsS
Rad 20 August, 2008, 07:55	Part I Perhaps I missed the report, but I have not seen this reported on RT or other Western Network News Stations. I hope RT could verify this information and elaborate more details. Last week Vitaly Churkin (Russian Ambassador to the UN) was briefly interviewed on a late night American talk show hosted by a Mr. Rose. Rose was more concerned with possible bombing of the oil pipe line and other matters which did not display true journalistic fairness. In this short interview, Mr. Churkin released publicly what code name the Georgian's had given to the secret attack operation against South Ossetia and the Russian Peace Keepers. Mr. Churkin stated that the Georgian government had used the code name Operation CLEAN FIELD. Again, the secret code name of the Georgian attack against South Ossetia, the Russian Peace Keepers, the South Ossetian People and the Russian People was called Operation "CLEAN FIELD." In other words, Operation CLEAN FIELD = ETHNIC CLEANSING of the South Ossetian and Russian People. I still believe this was a United States' sponsored covert operation. What I would like to know is, did an American, Israeli, Georgian or corrupted collective brain trust of all three come up with this operational Code Name and what does the terminology symbolize? The code name appears to be American terminology. Such sick humor is very characteristic of their operational names. It gives you a sense of their mind set and goals. The name of the "operation" alone is an outrage in itself. We have not even begun to address its execution and what evil may likely follow with subsequent echelons. With all the Weapons and support Georgia has received. Now we know what all these US Military Advisors, Israeli Military Advisors, etc., were training the Georgian's to do all these years to the present. Whether ethnically cleansing the American Continent of Indians from sea to shining sea or Palestine to make room for the seeds of their holy land of Israel. The never ending continuing western "democratization" of Operation "CLEAN FIELD" should come as no surprise, because the United States and Israel are well experienced in such activities of how to address the "problem" represented by the indigenous people. What I also find of deep concern is that during the Georgian attack, There were still armed United States' Special Forces in Georgia acting in the "advisory role" as the despotic brain leading its proxy United States' "Shakishvelli Republican Guard " zombie terrorist state, with dripping blood on their hands, fresh from the Genocide and Holocaust they committed, or must share responsibility as advisors, against South Ossetia and its South Ossetian and Russian people. According to American CBS news, though they don't take responsibility for participating in the attack, these United States' Special Forces are said to still be present in Georgia, acting in the advisory role. One can only imagine what other terminology the West can use to disguise its role, by contracting advisors, actors and minders as deniable "private contractors, etc." Part II I'm deeply concerned. "Humanitarian Aid" delivered by US NATO MILITARY is just a cover to prop up its special project client state of Shakishvelli's "Georgian" zombie police state. What safeguards are in place to insure further weapons are not being brought in? We have already seen how these weapons are used to perpetrate genocide and holocaust. The United States is still giving safe harbor, command and control, and other support and assistance to its Shakishvelli terrorists. The Shakishvelli 'Republican Guard" of Georgian Zombies could not efficiently do it by themselves, so they need step by step, face to face, held by the hand, instructions from the American and Israeli master minders advisory group of Ethnic Cleansing. Now these Georgian zombies need to be hand fed (force fed) by the Americans. Perhaps this is why we see Shakishvelli eating his tie, then again, it may also represent a covert signal and command to his operatives, as we saw with Saddam and other leaders of this type. This continued terrorist American-Israeli presence and its "deeds" in the region are deeply threatening and provocative. Nazism and Fascism, every now and then, under the guise of "Peace in our time," increased its spheres of influence under the cover of its ideology. Such an unchecked policy led to about 60 Million killed during World War II. A great portion of killed and murdered were from Russia and the east, etc. The United States and its Western Alliance have embarked on the same Nazi-Fascist policy of expansionist Empire building throughout all parts of the World, including its present Georgia Project police state regime. Just how many projects do the United States and its Western Alliance Axis have? What other peoples are ripe for Genocide by the United States Anglo American Western Axis Alliance to "solve the problem" through more operations code named: CLEAN FIELD, making room for its expansionist ideology with their Final Solutions? Every now and then just like the Fascist-Nazis, the United States is invading lands, murdering peoples and increasing its spheres of influence under the cover of its ideology. This represents a serious threat to World peace, if not the beginnings of World War III. We cannot allow Russians and the people of the East to fall victim to the Hitlerism Holocaust of the United States and its Western Axis. Why is the West so eager to close the book so fast and start rebuilding its Georgia Project, while in other parts of the world it is dragging its feet for years with crusades of conquest and reprisals? The West should withdraw from Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Serbia, Palestine and every other place in the World first. Still no one in the West is justifying with credibility, what the United States and its Western Allies are doing so far away from New York after 911, occupying, bombing and destroying Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. for years and years! How many days had to pass before Israel stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into Lebanon, Palestine? What was Israel responding to and how many Israeli soldiers were killed (for any reason) that necessitated the bombing, invading of Lebanon and leveling Beirut, etc.? Did the United States and its Western Allies Condemn Israel? Did the United States and Israel Condemn Georgia? Where was the French Peace plan for the territorial integrity of Palestine and other nations whose territorial integrity have been violated for years and years? How many days had to pass before the United States and NATO stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into RSK, RS, FRY, Serbia, Kosovo? How many days had to pass before the United States and NATO stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, etc.? What happened to the Iraqi and Taliban Air Force? For 911 in New York, the United States took it as far as to Ben Laden's Bunker. The United States is still pursuing occupation, stabilization and reprisal attacks while seeking to destroy, capture or kill the perpetrators, their safe harbors and supporters. Why should Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians not be entitled to the same right after suffering and even worse 911, genocide and holocaust? Yet days after the start of the Genocide and Holocaust against Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians, the United States and its allies are eager to close the book fast. Why so fast and what does the West have to hide? Why all this rush? There are still Georgian snipers and saboteurs sponsored by Western Intelligence services. The Georgian Military is massing. The Georgian threat that committed this holocaust and genocide is still present and poses danger. We have only witnessed one phase in this United States sponsored genocide and holocaust grand plan. Now we are seeing the other phase. It is outrageous and far too early in the timeline to even discuss or consider the territorial integrity of the Third and Fourth Reich of special American project 'Shakishvelli's Georgia," in light of the Genocide and Holocaust perpetrated against the Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians. At this point, the concern for Georgia's territorial integrity means as much as Nazi Germany's territorial integrity during the World War II holocaust and genocide. Many in the Georgian Military have learned from the Estonian Nazi Army in 1944 and taken off their uniforms, hiding amongst the women. These terrorists may be planning further covert attacks as part of the original plan. There are large weapon caches throughout Georgia. These weapons need to be secured by the Peace Keeping Force so they are not misused again to commit genocide and holocaust. The fanatical zombie Georgian Military, with the help of the United States, is reforming and massing to initiate other reckless acts of genocide and holocaust which defy all logic, honor and integrity. Hopefully the entire region of Georgia is permanently disarmed and steps taken to make it a weapons free zone, so Georgia is unable to reconstitute any weapons system or force to mount further genocide and holocaust. If you recall the Iraqi attack against Kuwait, after the cease fire, no fly zones and buffers were created to safeguard Kuwait against further attacks. Like Saddam and his party, Georgia is still belligerent, vowing to take back these lands. I hope the Russian Peace Keeping Force would monitor all of these threats with active patrolling and act accordingly in the interests of peace and security. Even acting proactively and preemptively to safeguard against further surprise 911 type genocide attacks by a known genocidal aggressor, whose word means absolutely nothing. Just how much weight, if any, do special project Shakishvelli's Georgia and its United States really carry? The bloody track record is not positive. The Russian Peace Keeping Force has conducted all of these Peace Keeping Operations close to the scene of the holocaust and genocide, suffered by its peoples and brothers. Unlike the United States and its allies who are far away from New York, still conducting reprisal operations for 911, after all these years over the entire world with no end in sight. Surly some of you can realize and conceptualize this fact, as you are crying crocodile tears, spurting your hopeless venomous Western Public Relations firm propaganda. What you are really crying about is trying to put your Humpty Dumbty Shakishvelli 'Republican Guard" of Georgian Zombies back together again, to initiate further crimes against humanity, and represent a stepping stone for yet further NATO client state nation building-expansionism. The Territorial Integrity and Security of South Ossetian, Abkhazia, Russia and its people should be the main point of concern, to insure Holocaust and Genocide are not repeated. Returning to the start lines of August 6th rewards the aggressor with a try, try until you succeed incentive. I can only imagine what would have happened if Russia was not present, at the hand of a powerfully equipped Georgia bent on committing more CLEAN FIELD operations with complete impunity. The West would have dragged its feet and made this a footnote in history as restoring constitutional order. Through the lies and slurs of Western media and the treacherous acts perpetrated by the United States and its allies of the Georgian Project. The Western media are playing the party line, still portraying this action (crime) as Georgia lawfully restoring constitutional order within Georgia. The West could have used this incident a different way. By condemning Georgia as the aggressor. Then in outrage, also dismantling and renouncing its Georgia expansionism project permanently. Had the West done this, a partnership with goodwill could have still existed to address all other issues with mutual respect and understanding. One of the conditions for German unification, was that NATO would not expand past Germany. Today we see how both that false guaranty and promise have been blatantly broken by the West, and the result. In response to McCain's speech where he declared "We are all Georgians." I would like to say in response that, WE are all Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians! permalink quote 0 Rad
j 20 August, 2008, 08:08	why should russia listen to g w bush who invaded iraq and afghanistan and still wanting to go after iran/north korea?it just doesnt make sense.its sad and tragic that these super powers use force to get what they want.besides who are we to tell russia what to do or else?i wish i live on the moon already,watching the new years or 4th of july fireworks blow off from the distance permalink quote 0 j
Ildar 20 August, 2008, 08:21	I am a russian and I have no problem watching any news channel I want including the 'western' that have become increasingly interesting to me recently. What I see is that 'western' news on this conflict is a fucking propaganda and should not be taken for granted. They offer a one-sided portrayal of the conflict. I also admit that the russian media is biased to some extent and does not tell us everything. But what I clearly see is that the anti-russians (politicians, posters, news media) are doing everything possible to avert the audience's attention from the fact how the war was started. Just this morning I watched 'France24' and they gave a summary of the conflict. They stated that there were shootings between separatists and Georgian soldiers, which prompted Saakashvili to order the shelling of Tskhinvali. I am at a loss of words. A new fabrication to justify the murdering mistake of the hotheaded idiot. I know that there had already been tension between Ossetians and Georgians, and there were outbreaks of small-time fighting between paramilitaries on both sides. And Russian officials did warn UN about possible aggravation of the situation which coincided with the recent joint training by american instructors of the Georgian army. The UN dismissed it. The americans promised that there will be no aggravation. Now if it were true that the shootings 'France24' referred to did take place how does this justify Saakashvili for ordering to shell the city with civilians still in it? At night when they were asleep! Was it not an ethnic cleansing operation after all? And does that not qualify for a genocide and mass murder? Have the standards in the world we live in changed that much? Why do the Sunnymarkies of the world close their eyes on that fact and prefer to call us fascists? Is it because they are so much keyed up? Or is it because they have been effectively brainwashed by their so called free media that in reality is free only to give account of events in a specific manner they wish, free media that has no interest in objectivity? The peaceful solution is still possible, but it is both sides that need to follow the plan. Do not blame only Russia. As to NATO I absolutely agree that organization like NATO will always need to make an enemy or what they call 'rogue states' out of somebody because it would justify its existence and ensure money flowing in. So NATO members can scream all they want about severing ties with Russia, it is nothing but empty words and letting the vapor out. They are powerless to do anything, at least anything constructive. As to all that hysterics around badass Russia it will die soon enough. And then many questions will be raised and many facts will surface. The mood toward Russia will change for the better. I am confident that Russia will not be isolated as only politically short-sighted people can wish. Like it or not, Russia has been and will be one of the major powers of the world and the world will deal with Russia. permalink quote 0 Ildar
Sevodnya_Net 20 August, 2008, 09:10	David "Why is the BBC not interviewing those civilians who were slaughtered by the Georgians?" Oh dear . Think hard about that :-) Many survivors however were bussed to safety in Vladikavkaz where the BBC has indeed had a correspondent interviewing some of them. Perhaps if you spent more time actually watching the BBC coverage and less time ranting about your opinion of it Just a thought . permalink quote 0 Sevodnya_Net
Andy 20 August, 2008, 09:26	Dear "C August 20, 2008, 01:23" - Your comments about President Saakashvili are correct. Saakashvili's craziness is obvious even to you. However the rest of your posting betrays the charateristic mixture of naiivety, arrogance and ignorance of the rest of Planet Earth that is the hallmark of the average American's outlook on life. For example your complaint about Russians posting on here in less than perfect English is really rather stupid. It may have escaped your notice but this is after all a Russian news website. Generally speaking RT's staff have perfect English and most Russians I've met speak much better English than many English people and certainly better than the average American. Moreover as an Englishman I must say that the idea of an American lecturing anyone how to spell is faintly ridiculous. permalink quote 0 Andy
Aryan Indian 20 August, 2008, 09:36	I lost whatever respect I had for EU,NATO and UN, this world is run by law of jungle, and king of jungle is Cowboys. Period, The way NATO isolating Russia and not looking at the real picture, Now N.Korea, Iran, Sudan and infact any country will not feel safe with NATO, EU or UN. This stance NATO members took against Russia is a turning point in our world history, Untill now we all knew only US could do whatever they want and they can get away with it, NOW EU and NATO steps into their shoes too. NATO used Stealth Fighters and all kind of bombs and planes, blowing up bridges, that was PROPORTIONATE, but russia's response was Unproportionate. NATO,UN and EU have proved that they have no brain, They can not think, they are US Puppets. permalink quote 0 Aryan Indian
Ildar 20 August, 2008, 12:40	What can be done to end the violence? Personally I see one way to end it although I must admit that even this can not guarantee piece over there. The world must not deny S.Ossetians and Abkhaz their right of self-determination. Let them decide for themselves how they want to live, be it within Russia or by themselves. First it should be done by plebiscit in these republics, second it should be openly discussed at the UN. Acting on the contrary by forcing them into Georgia that has already compromised itself under the fascist regime of Saakashvili won't do any good and is actually ripe with possibly even more serious consequences for all sides. EU and US must support this. After all is self-determination of people not one of the most precious values of democracy that US and EU stand for? Or do they not? We shall see. permalink quote 0 Ildar
Moffassa 20 August, 2008, 13:40	All the people that call the acts of Georgia in Ossetia genocide, what do you call the acts of the Russian armed forces in Cechnya (50 yrs of oppression)? All the people that call for Southossetian and abkazian independence, Why not let Chechnya become independent? For Russia this is all about ethnicity and nationalism. permalink quote 0 Moffassa
Moffassa 20 August, 2008, 13:49	Trying to say that georgian forces are puppets of america because they were trained by NATO is like trying to say that Russia is a communist state, because many of it's leaders were trained by the communists. permalink quote 0 Moffassa
Andy 20 August, 2008, 14:39	Throughout history stateless, persecuted peoples like the Ossetes have been pawns in the games of the Western powers, which for all their talk about human rights and international law, really don't care about the weak and powerless peoples of the world. During the First World War the British encouraged the Arabs to revolt against the Turks, promising them independence, only to then betray them by agreeing a secret treaty with the French which carved up the Turkish Empire and gave the Arabs nothing (incidentally the British and French were then incandescent with rage when Russia got hold of a copy of the Sykes-Picot Agreement and published it). Britain did the same thing with the Karen people of Burma during the Second World War. More recently we saw similar examples of Anglo-American hypocrisy in the case of the Iraqi Kurds, whose cause they ignored throughout the 1980s only to embrace as soon as their old friend Saddam Hussein embarassed them by invading Kuwait. One thing I can guarantee: on the day that the Georgian people wake up and elect a leader who is prepared to truly represent their interests and to stand up to America, on that day you will see the leaders of the USA, Britain, France & the EU falling overthemselves to denounce Georgia and champion the human rights of the Ossetes, Ajarian Muslims, Abkhazians and all the rest of the country's oppressed minorities. permalink quote 0 Andy
This Planet is my home and US is distroying it. 20 August, 2008, 16:04	Moffassa: Why not let Chechnya become independent? For Russia this is all about ethnicity and nationalism. Why dont you tell your American Sugar Daddy, to give away California to Mexico, Give North and South Dakota to Lakota Indians, They dont want to be part of US either. what about Baffolo New York and Maine (new england states) want to be part with Montreal and Quebec in Canada, You do that first and then lets talk about TIbet, Chechenya, Kosovo, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. You people did not just train Georgian people, but provided them weapons and 3 billion dollars. (if you know that) so it is not only about training, but suppying weapon to attack on their own people or russian passport holders, YOU THINK AMERICA IS NOT BEHIND THIS? you must more insane then Europeans then. permalink quote 0
philip 20 August, 2008, 16:15	Russians failed Foreign policies and political will in western cities and western allies and largely in Middle East and Africa continentals it seems right now Russians become more assaulted and isolated around world need to draft new foreign policy and catch up world statesman. Russians lost the trust of International community by commuting military action against small vibrant democratically state by doing so to occupier Georgian territory will harm its interest around globe for long term to come. Russian is missing the opportunity to play more active role in World stages by creating a new different ally to promote Russian interest around globe which was never seen before and must commit itself political, military, economically and ideology to fasten their interest around planet. Russians policies failed in western world by accepted western ideology will cause more damage and division and civil contest within Russians become more unstably regions and subdivide within Russians territories become under NATO and US control regions. permalink quote 0 philip
Zahir 20 August, 2008, 16:38	Propaganda war is pretty clear so far, yet we see Russia strict to their few and hopefully well selected words, which can be considered honorable statement of a Nation to some, also word of hardcore regime of old Soviet to some. World want Peace, but when the word 'Unpunished' is used, it must have it's honor. To the people/person it meant for and not after they left office. permalink quote 0 Zahir
sunnymarky 20 August, 2008, 16:58	"Persected peoples in the games of Western Powers" ( referring to States ruled by Russia/Soviet Communism ?) "Georgian People elect a leader who will Stand up to America"(after being occupied by a massive bully next door) . it amazing some posters are living in their own fantasy world. jeeeez!!!!! permalink quote 0 sunnymarky
Mashon 20 August, 2008, 19:37	Andy, Are you trying to say that Russia has or is acting in a better way than the countries that you just mentioned? How has Russia acted in and regarding different events in Chechnya, kosovo, Burma, Sudan, Iran, Syria.? The answer is: commiting Genocide, supporting theocratic and authoritarian regimes. permalink quote 0 Mashon
C 20 August, 2008, 20:11	Dear Andy from England, I permalink quote 0 C
Max 20 August, 2008, 20:17	Now what are we to believe? The current "Main Story" on the RT home page says "War killed 1,492 Ossetians - local officials Officials in South Ossetia have released the number of people killed during Georgia's failed military offensive to win control of the region. Authorities in the capital Tskhinvali say 1,492 Ossetians lost their lives in the conflict. " The BBC is currently reporting "Russia scales down Georgia toll A man in a refugee camp in Tbilisi, where many of the displaced are South Ossetian (20 August) Russian prosecutors reported finding many shallow graves in South Ossetia. Russia has issued new, reduced casualty figures for the Georgian conflict, with 133 civilians now listed as dead in the disputed region of South Ossetia. The figure is far lower than the 1,600 people Russia initially said had died. " Keep your eye on the RT Home page to see if they change the current figure showing. permalink quote 0 Max

Lavy 20 August, 2008, 06:47

Every time you read a news item on Georgia or watch a news programme on TV, you feel like channels such as vomiting. That is because of the bias on channels such as CNN, BBC and ABC.

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NickF 20 August, 2008, 07:09

About Nato council my comment is: "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on" (old saying)

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AbsS 20 August, 2008, 07:35

There is nothing that can be done to prevent that as long as the USA fights information war with their propaganda net so the truth fails to reach the people of the world, "revoliutions" initiated and backed by the US in varying colors jumps up and lots of other dirty things and secret agendas comes from the corporate and corrupted governments of the USA.

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Rad 20 August, 2008, 07:55

Part I Perhaps I missed the report, but I have not seen this reported on RT or other Western Network News Stations. I hope RT could verify this information and elaborate more details. Last week Vitaly Churkin (Russian Ambassador to the UN) was briefly interviewed on a late night American talk show hosted by a Mr. Rose. Rose was more concerned with possible bombing of the oil pipe line and other matters which did not display true journalistic fairness. In this short interview, Mr. Churkin released publicly what code name the Georgian's had given to the secret attack operation against South Ossetia and the Russian Peace Keepers. Mr. Churkin stated that the Georgian government had used the code name Operation CLEAN FIELD. Again, the secret code name of the Georgian attack against South Ossetia, the Russian Peace Keepers, the South Ossetian People and the Russian People was called Operation "CLEAN FIELD." In other words, Operation CLEAN FIELD = ETHNIC CLEANSING of the South Ossetian and Russian People. I still believe this was a United States' sponsored covert operation. What I would like to know is, did an American, Israeli, Georgian or corrupted collective brain trust of all three come up with this operational Code Name and what does the terminology symbolize? The code name appears to be American terminology. Such sick humor is very characteristic of their operational names. It gives you a sense of their mind set and goals. The name of the "operation" alone is an outrage in itself. We have not even begun to address its execution and what evil may likely follow with subsequent echelons. With all the Weapons and support Georgia has received. Now we know what all these US Military Advisors, Israeli Military Advisors, etc., were training the Georgian's to do all these years to the present. Whether ethnically cleansing the American Continent of Indians from sea to shining sea or Palestine to make room for the seeds of their holy land of Israel. The never ending continuing western "democratization" of Operation "CLEAN FIELD" should come as no surprise, because the United States and Israel are well experienced in such activities of how to address the "problem" represented by the indigenous people. What I also find of deep concern is that during the Georgian attack, There were still armed United States' Special Forces in Georgia acting in the "advisory role" as the despotic brain leading its proxy United States' "Shakishvelli Republican Guard " zombie terrorist state, with dripping blood on their hands, fresh from the Genocide and Holocaust they committed, or must share responsibility as advisors, against South Ossetia and its South Ossetian and Russian people. According to American CBS news, though they don't take responsibility for participating in the attack, these United States' Special Forces are said to still be present in Georgia, acting in the advisory role. One can only imagine what other terminology the West can use to disguise its role, by contracting advisors, actors and minders as deniable "private contractors, etc." Part II I'm deeply concerned. "Humanitarian Aid" delivered by US NATO MILITARY is just a cover to prop up its special project client state of Shakishvelli's "Georgian" zombie police state. What safeguards are in place to insure further weapons are not being brought in? We have already seen how these weapons are used to perpetrate genocide and holocaust. The United States is still giving safe harbor, command and control, and other support and assistance to its Shakishvelli terrorists. The Shakishvelli 'Republican Guard" of Georgian Zombies could not efficiently do it by themselves, so they need step by step, face to face, held by the hand, instructions from the American and Israeli master minders advisory group of Ethnic Cleansing. Now these Georgian zombies need to be hand fed (force fed) by the Americans. Perhaps this is why we see Shakishvelli eating his tie, then again, it may also represent a covert signal and command to his operatives, as we saw with Saddam and other leaders of this type. This continued terrorist American-Israeli presence and its "deeds" in the region are deeply threatening and provocative. Nazism and Fascism, every now and then, under the guise of "Peace in our time," increased its spheres of influence under the cover of its ideology. Such an unchecked policy led to about 60 Million killed during World War II. A great portion of killed and murdered were from Russia and the east, etc. The United States and its Western Alliance have embarked on the same Nazi-Fascist policy of expansionist Empire building throughout all parts of the World, including its present Georgia Project police state regime. Just how many projects do the United States and its Western Alliance Axis have? What other peoples are ripe for Genocide by the United States Anglo American Western Axis Alliance to "solve the problem" through more operations code named: CLEAN FIELD, making room for its expansionist ideology with their Final Solutions? Every now and then just like the Fascist-Nazis, the United States is invading lands, murdering peoples and increasing its spheres of influence under the cover of its ideology. This represents a serious threat to World peace, if not the beginnings of World War III. We cannot allow Russians and the people of the East to fall victim to the Hitlerism Holocaust of the United States and its Western Axis. Why is the West so eager to close the book so fast and start rebuilding its Georgia Project, while in other parts of the world it is dragging its feet for years with crusades of conquest and reprisals? The West should withdraw from Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Serbia, Palestine and every other place in the World first. Still no one in the West is justifying with credibility, what the United States and its Western Allies are doing so far away from New York after 911, occupying, bombing and destroying Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. for years and years! How many days had to pass before Israel stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into Lebanon, Palestine? What was Israel responding to and how many Israeli soldiers were killed (for any reason) that necessitated the bombing, invading of Lebanon and leveling Beirut, etc.? Did the United States and its Western Allies Condemn Israel? Did the United States and Israel Condemn Georgia? Where was the French Peace plan for the territorial integrity of Palestine and other nations whose territorial integrity have been violated for years and years? How many days had to pass before the United States and NATO stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into RSK, RS, FRY, Serbia, Kosovo? How many days had to pass before the United States and NATO stopped the bombing to finally allow humanitarian aid delivered by a hostile military force to come into Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, etc.? What happened to the Iraqi and Taliban Air Force? For 911 in New York, the United States took it as far as to Ben Laden's Bunker. The United States is still pursuing occupation, stabilization and reprisal attacks while seeking to destroy, capture or kill the perpetrators, their safe harbors and supporters. Why should Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians not be entitled to the same right after suffering and even worse 911, genocide and holocaust? Yet days after the start of the Genocide and Holocaust against Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians, the United States and its allies are eager to close the book fast. Why so fast and what does the West have to hide? Why all this rush? There are still Georgian snipers and saboteurs sponsored by Western Intelligence services. The Georgian Military is massing. The Georgian threat that committed this holocaust and genocide is still present and poses danger. We have only witnessed one phase in this United States sponsored genocide and holocaust grand plan. Now we are seeing the other phase. It is outrageous and far too early in the timeline to even discuss or consider the territorial integrity of the Third and Fourth Reich of special American project 'Shakishvelli's Georgia," in light of the Genocide and Holocaust perpetrated against the Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians. At this point, the concern for Georgia's territorial integrity means as much as Nazi Germany's territorial integrity during the World War II holocaust and genocide. Many in the Georgian Military have learned from the Estonian Nazi Army in 1944 and taken off their uniforms, hiding amongst the women. These terrorists may be planning further covert attacks as part of the original plan. There are large weapon caches throughout Georgia. These weapons need to be secured by the Peace Keeping Force so they are not misused again to commit genocide and holocaust. The fanatical zombie Georgian Military, with the help of the United States, is reforming and massing to initiate other reckless acts of genocide and holocaust which defy all logic, honor and integrity. Hopefully the entire region of Georgia is permanently disarmed and steps taken to make it a weapons free zone, so Georgia is unable to reconstitute any weapons system or force to mount further genocide and holocaust. If you recall the Iraqi attack against Kuwait, after the cease fire, no fly zones and buffers were created to safeguard Kuwait against further attacks. Like Saddam and his party, Georgia is still belligerent, vowing to take back these lands. I hope the Russian Peace Keeping Force would monitor all of these threats with active patrolling and act accordingly in the interests of peace and security. Even acting proactively and preemptively to safeguard against further surprise 911 type genocide attacks by a known genocidal aggressor, whose word means absolutely nothing. Just how much weight, if any, do special project Shakishvelli's Georgia and its United States really carry? The bloody track record is not positive. The Russian Peace Keeping Force has conducted all of these Peace Keeping Operations close to the scene of the holocaust and genocide, suffered by its peoples and brothers. Unlike the United States and its allies who are far away from New York, still conducting reprisal operations for 911, after all these years over the entire world with no end in sight. Surly some of you can realize and conceptualize this fact, as you are crying crocodile tears, spurting your hopeless venomous Western Public Relations firm propaganda. What you are really crying about is trying to put your Humpty Dumbty Shakishvelli 'Republican Guard" of Georgian Zombies back together again, to initiate further crimes against humanity, and represent a stepping stone for yet further NATO client state nation building-expansionism. The Territorial Integrity and Security of South Ossetian, Abkhazia, Russia and its people should be the main point of concern, to insure Holocaust and Genocide are not repeated. Returning to the start lines of August 6th rewards the aggressor with a try, try until you succeed incentive. I can only imagine what would have happened if Russia was not present, at the hand of a powerfully equipped Georgia bent on committing more CLEAN FIELD operations with complete impunity. The West would have dragged its feet and made this a footnote in history as restoring constitutional order. Through the lies and slurs of Western media and the treacherous acts perpetrated by the United States and its allies of the Georgian Project. The Western media are playing the party line, still portraying this action (crime) as Georgia lawfully restoring constitutional order within Georgia. The West could have used this incident a different way. By condemning Georgia as the aggressor. Then in outrage, also dismantling and renouncing its Georgia expansionism project permanently. Had the West done this, a partnership with goodwill could have still existed to address all other issues with mutual respect and understanding. One of the conditions for German unification, was that NATO would not expand past Germany. Today we see how both that false guaranty and promise have been blatantly broken by the West, and the result. In response to McCain's speech where he declared "We are all Georgians." I would like to say in response that, WE are all Russians, South Ossetians and Abkhazians!

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j 20 August, 2008, 08:08

why should russia listen to g w bush who invaded iraq and afghanistan and still wanting to go after iran/north korea?it just doesnt make sense.its sad and tragic that these super powers use force to get what they want.besides who are we to tell russia what to do or else?i wish i live on the moon already,watching the new years or 4th of july fireworks blow off from the distance

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Ildar 20 August, 2008, 08:21

I am a russian and I have no problem watching any news channel I want including the 'western' that have become increasingly interesting to me recently. What I see is that 'western' news on this conflict is a fucking propaganda and should not be taken for granted. They offer a one-sided portrayal of the conflict. I also admit that the russian media is biased to some extent and does not tell us everything. But what I clearly see is that the anti-russians (politicians, posters, news media) are doing everything possible to avert the audience's attention from the fact how the war was started. Just this morning I watched 'France24' and they gave a summary of the conflict. They stated that there were shootings between separatists and Georgian soldiers, which prompted Saakashvili to order the shelling of Tskhinvali. I am at a loss of words. A new fabrication to justify the murdering mistake of the hotheaded idiot. I know that there had already been tension between Ossetians and Georgians, and there were outbreaks of small-time fighting between paramilitaries on both sides. And Russian officials did warn UN about possible aggravation of the situation which coincided with the recent joint training by american instructors of the Georgian army. The UN dismissed it. The americans promised that there will be no aggravation. Now if it were true that the shootings 'France24' referred to did take place how does this justify Saakashvili for ordering to shell the city with civilians still in it? At night when they were asleep! Was it not an ethnic cleansing operation after all? And does that not qualify for a genocide and mass murder? Have the standards in the world we live in changed that much? Why do the Sunnymarkies of the world close their eyes on that fact and prefer to call us fascists? Is it because they are so much keyed up? Or is it because they have been effectively brainwashed by their so called free media that in reality is free only to give account of events in a specific manner they wish, free media that has no interest in objectivity? The peaceful solution is still possible, but it is both sides that need to follow the plan. Do not blame only Russia. As to NATO I absolutely agree that organization like NATO will always need to make an enemy or what they call 'rogue states' out of somebody because it would justify its existence and ensure money flowing in. So NATO members can scream all they want about severing ties with Russia, it is nothing but empty words and letting the vapor out. They are powerless to do anything, at least anything constructive. As to all that hysterics around badass Russia it will die soon enough. And then many questions will be raised and many facts will surface. The mood toward Russia will change for the better. I am confident that Russia will not be isolated as only politically short-sighted people can wish. Like it or not, Russia has been and will be one of the major powers of the world and the world will deal with Russia.

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Sevodnya_Net 20 August, 2008, 09:10

David "Why is the BBC not interviewing those civilians who were slaughtered by the Georgians?" Oh dear . Think hard about that :-) Many survivors however were bussed to safety in Vladikavkaz where the BBC has indeed had a correspondent interviewing some of them. Perhaps if you spent more time actually watching the BBC coverage and less time ranting about your opinion of it Just a thought .

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Andy 20 August, 2008, 09:26

Dear "C August 20, 2008, 01:23" - Your comments about President Saakashvili are correct. Saakashvili's craziness is obvious even to you. However the rest of your posting betrays the charateristic mixture of naiivety, arrogance and ignorance of the rest of Planet Earth that is the hallmark of the average American's outlook on life. For example your complaint about Russians posting on here in less than perfect English is really rather stupid. It may have escaped your notice but this is after all a *Russian* news website. Generally speaking RT's staff have perfect English and most Russians I've met speak much better English than many English people and certainly better than the average American. Moreover as an Englishman I must say that the idea of an American lecturing *anyone* how to spell is faintly ridiculous.

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Aryan Indian 20 August, 2008, 09:36

I lost whatever respect I had for EU,NATO and UN, this world is run by law of jungle, and king of jungle is Cowboys. Period, The way NATO isolating Russia and not looking at the real picture, Now N.Korea, Iran, Sudan and infact any country will not feel safe with NATO, EU or UN. This stance NATO members took against Russia is a turning point in our world history, Untill now we all knew only US could do whatever they want and they can get away with it, NOW EU and NATO steps into their shoes too. NATO used Stealth Fighters and all kind of bombs and planes, blowing up bridges, that was PROPORTIONATE, but russia's response was Unproportionate. NATO,UN and EU have proved that they have no brain, They can not think, they are US Puppets.

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Ildar 20 August, 2008, 12:40

What can be done to end the violence? Personally I see one way to end it although I must admit that even this can not guarantee piece over there. The world must not deny S.Ossetians and Abkhaz their right of self-determination. Let them decide for themselves how they want to live, be it within Russia or by themselves. First it should be done by plebiscit in these republics, second it should be openly discussed at the UN. Acting on the contrary by forcing them into Georgia that has already compromised itself under the fascist regime of Saakashvili won't do any good and is actually ripe with possibly even more serious consequences for all sides. EU and US must support this. After all is self-determination of people not one of the most precious values of democracy that US and EU stand for? Or do they not? We shall see.

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Moffassa 20 August, 2008, 13:40

All the people that call the acts of Georgia in Ossetia genocide, what do you call the acts of the Russian armed forces in Cechnya (50 yrs of oppression)? All the people that call for Southossetian and abkazian independence, Why not let Chechnya become independent? For Russia this is all about ethnicity and nationalism.

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Moffassa 20 August, 2008, 13:49

Trying to say that georgian forces are puppets of america because they were trained by NATO is like trying to say that Russia is a communist state, because many of it's leaders were trained by the communists.

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Andy 20 August, 2008, 14:39

Throughout history stateless, persecuted peoples like the Ossetes have been pawns in the games of the Western powers, which for all their talk about human rights and international law, really don't care about the weak and powerless peoples of the world. During the First World War the British encouraged the Arabs to revolt against the Turks, promising them independence, only to then betray them by agreeing a secret treaty with the French which carved up the Turkish Empire and gave the Arabs nothing (incidentally the British and French were then incandescent with rage when Russia got hold of a copy of the Sykes-Picot Agreement and published it). Britain did the same thing with the Karen people of Burma during the Second World War. More recently we saw similar examples of Anglo-American hypocrisy in the case of the Iraqi Kurds, whose cause they ignored throughout the 1980s only to embrace as soon as their old friend Saddam Hussein embarassed them by invading Kuwait. One thing I can guarantee: on the day that the Georgian people wake up and elect a leader who is prepared to truly represent their interests and to stand up to America, on that day you will see the leaders of the USA, Britain, France & the EU falling overthemselves to denounce Georgia and champion the human rights of the Ossetes, Ajarian Muslims, Abkhazians and all the rest of the country's oppressed minorities.

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This Planet is my home and US is distroying it. 20 August, 2008, 16:04

Moffassa: Why not let Chechnya become independent? For Russia this is all about ethnicity and nationalism. Why dont you tell your American Sugar Daddy, to give away California to Mexico, Give North and South Dakota to Lakota Indians, They dont want to be part of US either. what about Baffolo New York and Maine (new england states) want to be part with Montreal and Quebec in Canada, You do that first and then lets talk about TIbet, Chechenya, Kosovo, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. You people did not just train Georgian people, but provided them weapons and 3 billion dollars. (if you know that) so it is not only about training, but suppying weapon to attack on their own people or russian passport holders, YOU THINK AMERICA IS NOT BEHIND THIS? you must more insane then Europeans then.

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philip 20 August, 2008, 16:15

Russians failed Foreign policies and political will in western cities and western allies and largely in Middle East and Africa continentals it seems right now Russians become more assaulted and isolated around world need to draft new foreign policy and catch up world statesman. Russians lost the trust of International community by commuting military action against small vibrant democratically state by doing so to occupier Georgian territory will harm its interest around globe for long term to come. Russian is missing the opportunity to play more active role in World stages by creating a new different ally to promote Russian interest around globe which was never seen before and must commit itself political, military, economically and ideology to fasten their interest around planet. Russians policies failed in western world by accepted western ideology will cause more damage and division and civil contest within Russians become more unstably regions and subdivide within Russians territories become under NATO and US control regions.

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Zahir 20 August, 2008, 16:38

Propaganda war is pretty clear so far, yet we see Russia strict to their few and hopefully well selected words, which can be considered honorable statement of a Nation to some, also word of hardcore regime of old Soviet to some. World want Peace, but when the word 'Unpunished' is used, it must have it's honor. To the people/person it meant for and not after they left office.

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sunnymarky 20 August, 2008, 16:58

"Persected peoples in the games of Western Powers" ( referring to States ruled by Russia/Soviet Communism ?) "Georgian People elect a leader who will Stand up to America"(after being occupied by a massive bully next door) . it amazing some posters are living in their own fantasy world. jeeeez!!!!!

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Mashon 20 August, 2008, 19:37

Andy, Are you trying to say that Russia has or is acting in a better way than the countries that you just mentioned? How has Russia acted in and regarding different events in Chechnya, kosovo, Burma, Sudan, Iran, Syria.? The answer is: commiting Genocide, supporting theocratic and authoritarian regimes.

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C 20 August, 2008, 20:11

Dear Andy from England, I

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Max 20 August, 2008, 20:17

Now what are we to believe? The current "Main Story" on the RT home page says "War killed 1,492 Ossetians - local officials Officials in South Ossetia have released the number of people killed during Georgia's failed military offensive to win control of the region. Authorities in the capital Tskhinvali say 1,492 Ossetians lost their lives in the conflict. " The BBC is currently reporting "Russia scales down Georgia toll A man in a refugee camp in Tbilisi, where many of the displaced are South Ossetian (20 August) Russian prosecutors reported finding many shallow graves in South Ossetia. Russia has issued new, reduced casualty figures for the Georgian conflict, with 133 civilians now listed as dead in the disputed region of South Ossetia. The figure is far lower than the 1,600 people Russia initially said had died. " Keep your eye on the RT Home page to see if they change the current figure showing.

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