What do Russia and the U.S. stand to win or lose by confronting each other?


Muneeb 19 September, 2008, 09:34	Well we in Pakistan, as our media says (which is under control of US), we are not aware of Russian conditions. We are not aware of Russian economics, Russian Logistics, Russian amunitions. All we know is that about US. If someone can tell me about Russian socio-economy strategies, reserves, especially against US. Then I shall be able to understand and compare, that the confrontation of both Russia & US gives fruit to whom & thorne to whome? permalink quote +1 Muneeb
mr x 19 September, 2008, 10:57	Well being that I lived in the USA for 36 years and moved to Slovakia two years ago coupled with my financial schooling in geopolitics. It is easy to see the geopolitical forces at play in the region plus the world. Long ago some dictator had a plan to take over the world. That is when Russia fought the Germans of course after around 30 million lives the Russians broke the back bone of the German forces. It is taught in American schools that the Americans won the war. This is absurd. Proxy wars between the US and Russia have been going on for some time now dating back to the “Iran Contra Affair” coupled with the United States arming of the Taliban to fight the Russian forces. Now if this is just a way of drawing a geopolitical border line for both sides or the slow starting of an all out war is yet to be determined. The double standard play taking place with the arming of Sadom Hussein regime and the arming of Iran to get them to annihilate each other (not to mention once they were weakened we waltzed right in to assume control of the Iraqi oil supply that had taken there oil away from the dollar which is what the dollar is pegged to –not gold anymore!!!). One has to answer, is Iran next? (of course it is! Because they moved away from the dollar). The grand chess board is being played out on a daily basis all around the caucuses and the world. Is this the attempt for global domination? (it appears so!). There is an old saying that goes- “If It Walks Like A Duck And It Quacks Like A Duck Then It’s A Duck”. One has only to research the pipeline projects to understand the whole picture of what is at play. The USA has to maintain oil currencies globally being traded in dollars or else the dollar is just a peace of paper (sometimes referred to as hedge money). This is the problem now for the USA because other countries are getting smart to the game with Petro dollars and are starting to dump them for stable currencies thus bankrupting the US. This problem is amplified with the ever increasing defense budget (which I like to call offence budget). So will the problem boil over to a war with between the Russians and the Americans? Lets hope not! The amount of blood that would be spilt if not evaporated by a nuclear holocaust would be tremendous. Being a child growing up in America there was constant rhetoric about how bad the Russians were and how we should not like them. There was even movies (called- Red Dawn ) that depicted the evil Russians that invaded because they hated freedom and democracy. Is it that we are just all scared little chickens that keep being chased back into our chicken coup when ever the coup master shakes a fear stick at us? The evil Russians! the evil Alcaida! the evil Grinch who stole Christmas! Its all the same to me. There is oil in them there hills and it does not matter how many bodies they will step on to get it. They have been steered into a situation by the world bank where they have to get it or else the entire house of cards will come toppling down with the ultimate collapse of an Empire. Any direct confrontation between USA and Russia would be the end of the world. In some ways I think that the entire global economy has to collapse so that the global domination game is ended. Yes the world markets would definitely suffer in the short term if all at once the world stopped pegging oil to the dollar. However at the same time isn’t it better to see a little economic turbulence than to watch the whole thing unravel into world war three. Decisions Decisions Decisions… It could even be fathomed that would war three is unavoidable because if the dollar is dropped than assuredly there would be a fight to regain its control. MY MY MY ---the tangled web we weave!!! permalink quote 0 mr x
Vijay Singh 19 September, 2008, 11:03	Both stand to loose in confrontation. The world stands to lose in friction. Europe stands to loose in dis-harmony. Only those 'within' RF and/or US who relish and/or benefit in such confrontation stand to gain for their narrow Geo-political/Economic gains.maybe.! Only those 'outside' RF and/or US who relish and/or benefit in such confrontation stand to gain for their narrow Geo-political/Economic gains.maybe.! Only one can speculate as who these nefarious elements are.? permalink quote 0 Vijay Singh
Kotic 19 September, 2008, 12:04	Russia is a survivor, therefore all will be well! As for the U.S.,they already have lost status of `super power`, thats why it`s so important for them to bully other nations and flex their muscles. Divisions of opinion that are already taking place within the government. Making and maintaining more ememies than they`ve ever had. The world`s respect which is diminishing by the day. permalink quote -1 Kotic
Anthony 19 September, 2008, 12:31	Neither Russia nor the U.S. stands to gain anything from a conflict between one another. Both nations need to find a way to put a side their differences and work together. The U.S., for its part, needs to back off of its missile defense in Europe, and Russia needs to loosen its grip on Georgia. I don’t disagree with the U.S. missile defense, in theory. I disagree with its location. I also don’t disagree with the Russian response to Georgia’s invasion of South Ossetia. I disagree with distance that Russia pushed into Georgia. Our nations have worked together in the past for each others mutual benefit, and we need to find a way to do so again. permalink quote 0 Anthony
Elvie Hill 19 September, 2008, 13:35	Russia and the U.S.A will gain nothing by challenging each other.They both have the A-Bomb,Subs,All types of aircraft,Mfg.their own weapons,warships, Spies,spaceships,on the Moon,not afraid of each other,have Blonds,Burnetts,Red heads, Black heads,and Grey heads.We are both the same.Peace Keepers.God Bless America and Russia.Please Help Africa.Oweij Liebo U.S. permalink quote 0 Elvie Hill
Manuel 19 September, 2008, 14:00	The World Media is dominated by the USA. So very little is yet known about Russia in the rest of the world, despite being the world's largest country and a nuclear super power. The US has learned a lot of the British Ministry of Information and, thus, dominates world's media to tell people what they think is appropiate. By confronting each other Russia and the USA don't have much to win, except perhaps for international sympathy. But whenever they confront each other the world shakes. US rethorics are very strong and perhaps they only seek to appear stronger but if someone is stupid enough to start a direct confrontation with the other (not only militaristic, which should not be an option for nobody)then the world has much to lose. Let's hope for the Kremlin administration and for the next president of the USA to nurture a friendly and cooperative relationship between both countries. permalink quote 0 Manuel
C 19 September, 2008, 15:37	What do Russia and the U.S. stand to win or lose by confronting each other? I truly hope that it never comes down this.I believe that both of our nations have been at fault in our communications. It's like the Cold War all over again. I lived through that already and I don't want this to happen again. I think United States and Russia can learn a lot from each other,if we can only find a peaceful way to communicate and without provoking each other. Давайте быть друзьями. Sincerely, C United States of America permalink quote 0 C
Arklight 19 September, 2008, 18:13	Russia wins 'street cred' every time that Putin or Medvedev answers Rice's screeds with a measured, reasoned reply. The US loses credibility, respect and amity every time Rice or Bush opens their vapid yap. It's almost embarassing these days to be American. permalink quote 0 Arklight
Fred 19 September, 2008, 19:22	Mc cain stands to win an election by making Russia into an "Evil Empire" to be feared. Bush Gains pipelines & oil for Cheney & his Haliburton buddies, Biden & Obama Gain by their ability to get us OUT of this type mess. Putin gains influence among Azerbaijanis & others fearful of having their own countires turned into Georgia like messes, & NATO gains when countries with unresolved frozen conflicts, or border issues like Moldova & Ukraine nervous. Consumers on both sides loose as Furry hats & Vodka get scarce in the west & Mc Donald's Hamburgers and KFC chicken gets scarce in the east. The side effect to consumers - Russians get slim & trim, Americans sober up, or switch back to Budweiser & lessen the trade deficit.(The only silver lining. Sadly there is little to gain in a new cold war & only a few at the top would see any real benefit. permalink quote 0 Fred
Soar 19 September, 2008, 19:29	The US military-security elite did not embrace the new opportunities presented by the end of the Soviet Union. They need enemies and they kept their European opposite numbers on the alert. It does not have to be a deliberate policy. When joint activities from training exercises to major conferences are held in the US on US chosen themes the tendency is for all to agree with one viewpoint, the old one. Because of Russia's lack of active participation in NATO structres the opinion forming happens without uptodate knowledge of Russia. It is not a US conspiracy to influence NATO. It is a lack of Russian effort to put its own view by willingly keeping itself in oppositionism. And then you have the Russian military-security elite. They are equally unreformed but much more paranoid. Look at the body language of the senior Russians just below the top. They seek evidence of conspiracy everywhere - just listen to the sub text of RT. They exclude foreigner information gatherers from frozen conflict zones (what are they hiding - in this case I believe in conspiracy) and then complain that no foreign media are telling their story (and it gets less believable each day) when things get hot. So, the winners are the security-military elites who keep their jobs and their industrial complexes. The US elite deliberately avoid the facts and the Russians look for Russophobic conspiracies everywhere. All Generals and Security chiefs over 50 on both sides should be retired immediately and Russia should be as active as possible in NATO including application for membership. permalink quote 0 Soar
Paul 19 September, 2008, 19:45	I think that Russia realized that trying to control the world and occupying countries does not work in the long run. The US is just starting to learn this lesson. Today, the US has a lot more enemies than Russia. It is not Russia that wants a confrontation but rather the neo-cons in Washington. The latest conflict in the Caucasus will force the US to deal differently with Russia. The militaristic bluster will no longer work. The military and diplomatic blow that the US received in Georgia is the signal that America's political supremacy is over just like the financial crisis on wall st. signals the end of US economic supremacy. permalink quote 0 Paul
Sergei 19 September, 2008, 21:42	Those who run the u.s (money hungry control freaks)and now many europian countries want the whole world,they even wrote a protocol about it and i hope Russia China N.Korea and Iran will do everything to prevent them from achieving it. permalink quote 0 Sergei
Californian 19 September, 2008, 23:54	There can be no victory. Both sides will lose. But if the Neocons keep on attacking Russia, it will have to respond. My prediction is that Americans, who are tired of the disasters provided by the Neocons, will vote these pathetic morons out of office, and under the Obama Administration relations will improve. If the Neocons do somehow manage to stay in power, this will cause an exodus of Intelligent Americans from the US, and the US will crumble upon itself, just like the USSR did in the 1990's. It would be curious whom AIPAC will support in this election. On the one hand they have traditionally supported the Republicans. On the other hand supporting the Republicans yet again is downright dangerous for Israel, because the Neocons have taken control of the Republican Party and will undoubtedly provoke Russia into a Strategic Alliance with Iran and also force the US economy to crumble, thus making a Middle Eastern Assualt on Israel possible. November's going to be a very interesting month for the World to watch. Will AIPAC hold on to their only goal left, or will they aid in Israel's destruction through their own greed. Stay tuned. permalink quote 0 Californian
Andrey 20 September, 2008, 06:46	I remember now many people in Russia and USA were sceptical when Putin and Bush make friends. I was sceptical too. But in reality this friendship worked efectifly and helped for Russia and USA to be partners for 7 years after 9/11. Of couse we lost a lot of chanses to be a real partners, this frienship cuoldn't stop NATO's expansion, AMD in Europe and new lectures on democracy. And everything changed dramatically after 08/08/08. I hope that if Obama is elected he became Medvedev's friend. I hope that these two young and smart guys will write a new page in the world's history and could really mak a revolution in russo-american relations. permalink quote 0 Andrey
George 20 September, 2008, 10:02	I don't think there is confrontation needed. The best is to sit down and wait for the US to destroy itself. They jst passed £612 billion military budget for 2009! Do you think they will last long? People are living on the streets in trailers and tents. permalink quote 0 George
Enrique 20 September, 2008, 10:57	The European Union is an American Protectorate under the Dictatorship of NATO SACEUR Commander Bantz Craddock, a real Generalissimo, similar to the British Viceroy in India. In the same way it was afirmed that the British Empire depended on keeping India, the American Empire depends on keeping Europe, where U.S. Companies have invested an amount of money equivalent to about $1 Trillion. Expanding NATO and the E.U. is equivalent to expaning the American Empire even if there is a danger of overstretching.that´s why Anglo-Americans are so eager to promote Sepoy-European troops to work for the U.S. Army and under a U.S. Generalissimo, as they are doing in Afghanistan or Iraq, something similar to European divisions in the Nazi Army during the Operation Barbarossa. For America confrontating Russia is a way to keep that huge Market (Europe) essentially for their own military-complex, the only one growing and hiring people in times of Recession. NATO could have ended 17 years ago like the Varsaw Pact.but it didn´t happen and presenting Russia as a dangerious nation is essential for that end: keeping the American Empire occupying Europe. What the U.S. can lose this way is an ally in the famous War on Terror (Islamic Foundamentalism) and a more assertive China as both Russia and China develop common intercontinental balistic interceptors and upgrade investment in missiles and space initiatives. Russia has a technology which is still in use (as we could watch in the International Space Station) and China is developing new technology as we know for the destruction of a satellite. So for American Security it would be better an Alliance with the Russian Federation while for the American Empire it is necessary promoting confrontation. Some will try to find out a middle term.if it is possible. permalink quote 0 Enrique
diderot 20 September, 2008, 11:13	It is a wrong question. It is not Russia and the US confronting each other? It is Russia and the West confronting each other. European Union and USA are united through a strategic defense system NATO but also in all the levels. It could happen that sometimes they have different points of view. But in regards of Russia the West is united - with nuances - and has the same politic: for the West, Russia is now our enemy and we are not at all afraid of confrontation with Russia. The great majority in the West - included Germany - think that it is better for the West to start a new containment , to isolate Russia as much from the West. Russia today is not Soviet Union - it is from our point of view much worst than Soviet Union. Soviet Union has a world influence through her ideology. This present Russia is managed by criminals and has no ideological vision for their own people except to steal the assets of Russia for a few criminal. To isolate Russia from the West will be good for Russia and for the West. The confrontation will be very good for the West - and quite bad for Russia. The ultimate is that finally Russians desire to change their leaders - put out their present criminal leaders. Then a free Russia, will take back her natural part in Europe. permalink quote 0 diderot
M E 20 September, 2008, 14:23	Andrey, I agree. Not only would we both lose in a war, but we would miss the opportunities of partnership. We should be getting rich together. We could be sending manned missions to the moon or to Mars. I read that the money USA spent in just Iraq could have paid for 2 return trips to Mars, with change left over. Imagine what we could do there in partnership with Russia? permalink quote 0 M E
john 20 September, 2008, 17:01	The strategy should be to let Russia arm up once again, starve their people out so they can have more tanks and missiles while their corrupt ruling few get richer and let them implode once again. They don't learn from their mistakes. There are probelms in the US, but history has shown the US system is resilient and always rebounds.its just a matter of time. The world is alsoe levered to the US. If they get a cold everyone else gets a flu. If they get a flu, we have pneumonia. If they get pneumonia we go into a coffin. permalink quote 0 john

Muneeb 19 September, 2008, 09:34

Well we in Pakistan, as our media says (which is under control of US), we are not aware of Russian conditions. We are not aware of Russian economics, Russian Logistics, Russian amunitions. All we know is that about US. If someone can tell me about Russian socio-economy strategies, reserves, especially against US. Then I shall be able to understand and compare, that the confrontation of both Russia & US gives fruit to whom & thorne to whome?

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mr x 19 September, 2008, 10:57

Well being that I lived in the USA for 36 years and moved to Slovakia two years ago coupled with my financial schooling in geopolitics. It is easy to see the geopolitical forces at play in the region plus the world. Long ago some dictator had a plan to take over the world. That is when Russia fought the Germans of course after around 30 million lives the Russians broke the back bone of the German forces. It is taught in American schools that the Americans won the war. This is absurd. Proxy wars between the US and Russia have been going on for some time now dating back to the “Iran Contra Affair” coupled with the United States arming of the Taliban to fight the Russian forces. Now if this is just a way of drawing a geopolitical border line for both sides or the slow starting of an all out war is yet to be determined. The double standard play taking place with the arming of Sadom Hussein regime and the arming of Iran to get them to annihilate each other (not to mention once they were weakened we waltzed right in to assume control of the Iraqi oil supply that had taken there oil away from the dollar which is what the dollar is pegged to –not gold anymore!!!). One has to answer, is Iran next? (of course it is! Because they moved away from the dollar). The grand chess board is being played out on a daily basis all around the caucuses and the world. Is this the attempt for global domination? (it appears so!). There is an old saying that goes- “If It Walks Like A Duck And It Quacks Like A Duck Then It’s A Duck”. One has only to research the pipeline projects to understand the whole picture of what is at play. The USA has to maintain oil currencies globally being traded in dollars or else the dollar is just a peace of paper (sometimes referred to as hedge money). This is the problem now for the USA because other countries are getting smart to the game with Petro dollars and are starting to dump them for stable currencies thus bankrupting the US. This problem is amplified with the ever increasing defense budget (which I like to call offence budget). So will the problem boil over to a war with between the Russians and the Americans? Lets hope not! The amount of blood that would be spilt if not evaporated by a nuclear holocaust would be tremendous. Being a child growing up in America there was constant rhetoric about how bad the Russians were and how we should not like them. There was even movies (called- Red Dawn ) that depicted the evil Russians that invaded because they hated freedom and democracy. Is it that we are just all scared little chickens that keep being chased back into our chicken coup when ever the coup master shakes a fear stick at us? The evil Russians! the evil Alcaida! the evil Grinch who stole Christmas! Its all the same to me. There is oil in them there hills and it does not matter how many bodies they will step on to get it. They have been steered into a situation by the world bank where they have to get it or else the entire house of cards will come toppling down with the ultimate collapse of an Empire. Any direct confrontation between USA and Russia would be the end of the world. In some ways I think that the entire global economy has to collapse so that the global domination game is ended. Yes the world markets would definitely suffer in the short term if all at once the world stopped pegging oil to the dollar. However at the same time isn’t it better to see a little economic turbulence than to watch the whole thing unravel into world war three. Decisions Decisions Decisions… It could even be fathomed that would war three is unavoidable because if the dollar is dropped than assuredly there would be a fight to regain its control. MY MY MY ---the tangled web we weave!!!

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Vijay Singh 19 September, 2008, 11:03

Both stand to loose in confrontation. The world stands to lose in friction. Europe stands to loose in dis-harmony. Only those 'within' RF and/or US who relish and/or benefit in such confrontation stand to gain for their narrow Geo-political/Economic gains.maybe.! Only those 'outside' RF and/or US who relish and/or benefit in such confrontation stand to gain for their narrow Geo-political/Economic gains.maybe.! Only one can speculate as who these nefarious elements are.?

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Kotic 19 September, 2008, 12:04

Russia is a survivor, therefore all will be well! As for the U.S.,they already have lost status of `super power`, thats why it`s so important for them to bully other nations and flex their muscles. Divisions of opinion that are already taking place within the government. Making and maintaining more ememies than they`ve ever had. The world`s respect which is diminishing by the day.

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Anthony 19 September, 2008, 12:31

Neither Russia nor the U.S. stands to gain anything from a conflict between one another. Both nations need to find a way to put a side their differences and work together. The U.S., for its part, needs to back off of its missile defense in Europe, and Russia needs to loosen its grip on Georgia. I don’t disagree with the U.S. missile defense, in theory. I disagree with its location. I also don’t disagree with the Russian response to Georgia’s invasion of South Ossetia. I disagree with distance that Russia pushed into Georgia. Our nations have worked together in the past for each others mutual benefit, and we need to find a way to do so again.

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Elvie Hill 19 September, 2008, 13:35

Russia and the U.S.A will gain nothing by challenging each other.They both have the A-Bomb,Subs,All types of aircraft,Mfg.their own weapons,warships, Spies,spaceships,on the Moon,not afraid of each other,have Blonds,Burnetts,Red heads, Black heads,and Grey heads.We are both the same.Peace Keepers.God Bless America and Russia.Please Help Africa.Oweij Liebo U.S.

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Manuel 19 September, 2008, 14:00

The World Media is dominated by the USA. So very little is yet known about Russia in the rest of the world, despite being the world's largest country and a nuclear super power. The US has learned a lot of the British Ministry of Information and, thus, dominates world's media to tell people what they think is appropiate. By confronting each other Russia and the USA don't have much to win, except perhaps for international sympathy. But whenever they confront each other the world shakes. US rethorics are very strong and perhaps they only seek to appear stronger but if someone is stupid enough to start a direct confrontation with the other (not only militaristic, which should not be an option for nobody)then the world has much to lose. Let's hope for the Kremlin administration and for the next president of the USA to nurture a friendly and cooperative relationship between both countries.

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C 19 September, 2008, 15:37

What do Russia and the U.S. stand to win or lose by confronting each other? I truly hope that it never comes down this.I believe that both of our nations have been at fault in our communications. It's like the Cold War all over again. I lived through that already and I don't want this to happen again. I think United States and Russia can learn a lot from each other,if we can only find a peaceful way to communicate and without provoking each other. Давайте быть друзьями. Sincerely, C United States of America

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Arklight 19 September, 2008, 18:13

Russia wins 'street cred' every time that Putin or Medvedev answers Rice's screeds with a measured, reasoned reply. The US loses credibility, respect and amity every time Rice or Bush opens their vapid yap. It's almost embarassing these days to be American.

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Fred 19 September, 2008, 19:22

Mc cain stands to win an election by making Russia into an "Evil Empire" to be feared. Bush Gains pipelines & oil for Cheney & his Haliburton buddies, Biden & Obama Gain by their ability to get us OUT of this type mess. Putin gains influence among Azerbaijanis & others fearful of having their own countires turned into Georgia like messes, & NATO gains when countries with unresolved frozen conflicts, or border issues like Moldova & Ukraine nervous. Consumers on both sides loose as Furry hats & Vodka get scarce in the west & Mc Donald's Hamburgers and KFC chicken gets scarce in the east. The side effect to consumers - Russians get slim & trim, Americans sober up, or switch back to Budweiser & lessen the trade deficit.(The only silver lining. Sadly there is little to gain in a new cold war & only a few at the top would see any real benefit.

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Soar 19 September, 2008, 19:29

The US military-security elite did not embrace the new opportunities presented by the end of the Soviet Union. They need enemies and they kept their European opposite numbers on the alert. It does not have to be a deliberate policy. When joint activities from training exercises to major conferences are held in the US on US chosen themes the tendency is for all to agree with one viewpoint, the old one. Because of Russia's lack of active participation in NATO structres the opinion forming happens without uptodate knowledge of Russia. It is not a US conspiracy to influence NATO. It is a lack of Russian effort to put its own view by willingly keeping itself in oppositionism. And then you have the Russian military-security elite. They are equally unreformed but much more paranoid. Look at the body language of the senior Russians just below the top. They seek evidence of conspiracy everywhere - just listen to the sub text of RT. They exclude foreigner information gatherers from frozen conflict zones (what are they hiding - in this case I believe in conspiracy) and then complain that no foreign media are telling their story (and it gets less believable each day) when things get hot. So, the winners are the security-military elites who keep their jobs and their industrial complexes. The US elite deliberately avoid the facts and the Russians look for Russophobic conspiracies everywhere. All Generals and Security chiefs over 50 on both sides should be retired immediately and Russia should be as active as possible in NATO including application for membership.

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Paul 19 September, 2008, 19:45

I think that Russia realized that trying to control the world and occupying countries does not work in the long run. The US is just starting to learn this lesson. Today, the US has a lot more enemies than Russia. It is not Russia that wants a confrontation but rather the neo-cons in Washington. The latest conflict in the Caucasus will force the US to deal differently with Russia. The militaristic bluster will no longer work. The military and diplomatic blow that the US received in Georgia is the signal that America's political supremacy is over just like the financial crisis on wall st. signals the end of US economic supremacy.

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Sergei 19 September, 2008, 21:42

Those who run the u.s (money hungry control freaks)and now many europian countries want the whole world,they even wrote a protocol about it and i hope Russia China N.Korea and Iran will do everything to prevent them from achieving it.

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Californian 19 September, 2008, 23:54

There can be no victory. Both sides will lose. But if the Neocons keep on attacking Russia, it will have to respond. My prediction is that Americans, who are tired of the disasters provided by the Neocons, will vote these pathetic morons out of office, and under the Obama Administration relations will improve. If the Neocons do somehow manage to stay in power, this will cause an exodus of Intelligent Americans from the US, and the US will crumble upon itself, just like the USSR did in the 1990's. It would be curious whom AIPAC will support in this election. On the one hand they have traditionally supported the Republicans. On the other hand supporting the Republicans yet again is downright dangerous for Israel, because the Neocons have taken control of the Republican Party and will undoubtedly provoke Russia into a Strategic Alliance with Iran and also force the US economy to crumble, thus making a Middle Eastern Assualt on Israel possible. November's going to be a very interesting month for the World to watch. Will AIPAC hold on to their only goal left, or will they aid in Israel's destruction through their own greed. Stay tuned.

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Andrey 20 September, 2008, 06:46

I remember now many people in Russia and USA were sceptical when Putin and Bush make friends. I was sceptical too. But in reality this friendship worked efectifly and helped for Russia and USA to be partners for 7 years after 9/11. Of couse we lost a lot of chanses to be a real partners, this frienship cuoldn't stop NATO's expansion, AMD in Europe and new lectures on democracy. And everything changed dramatically after 08/08/08. I hope that if Obama is elected he became Medvedev's friend. I hope that these two young and smart guys will write a new page in the world's history and could really mak a revolution in russo-american relations.

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George 20 September, 2008, 10:02

I don't think there is confrontation needed. The best is to sit down and wait for the US to destroy itself. They jst passed £612 billion military budget for 2009! Do you think they will last long? People are living on the streets in trailers and tents.

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Enrique 20 September, 2008, 10:57

The European Union is an American Protectorate under the Dictatorship of NATO SACEUR Commander Bantz Craddock, a real Generalissimo, similar to the British Viceroy in India. In the same way it was afirmed that the British Empire depended on keeping India, the American Empire depends on keeping Europe, where U.S. Companies have invested an amount of money equivalent to about $1 Trillion. Expanding NATO and the E.U. is equivalent to expaning the American Empire even if there is a danger of overstretching.that´s why Anglo-Americans are so eager to promote Sepoy-European troops to work for the U.S. Army and under a U.S. Generalissimo, as they are doing in Afghanistan or Iraq, something similar to European divisions in the Nazi Army during the Operation Barbarossa. For America confrontating Russia is a way to keep that huge Market (Europe) essentially for their own military-complex, the only one growing and hiring people in times of Recession. NATO could have ended 17 years ago like the Varsaw Pact.but it didn´t happen and presenting Russia as a dangerious nation is essential for that end: keeping the American Empire occupying Europe. What the U.S. can lose this way is an ally in the famous War on Terror (Islamic Foundamentalism) and a more assertive China as both Russia and China develop common intercontinental balistic interceptors and upgrade investment in missiles and space initiatives. Russia has a technology which is still in use (as we could watch in the International Space Station) and China is developing new technology as we know for the destruction of a satellite. So for American Security it would be better an Alliance with the Russian Federation while for the American Empire it is necessary promoting confrontation. Some will try to find out a middle term.if it is possible.

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diderot 20 September, 2008, 11:13

It is a wrong question. It is not Russia and the US confronting each other? It is Russia and the West confronting each other. European Union and USA are united through a strategic defense system NATO but also in all the levels. It could happen that sometimes they have different points of view. But in regards of Russia the West is united - with nuances - and has the same politic: for the West, Russia is now our enemy and we are not at all afraid of confrontation with Russia. The great majority in the West - included Germany - think that it is better for the West to start a new containment , to isolate Russia as much from the West. Russia today is not Soviet Union - it is from our point of view much worst than Soviet Union. Soviet Union has a world influence through her ideology. This present Russia is managed by criminals and has no ideological vision for their own people except to steal the assets of Russia for a few criminal. To isolate Russia from the West will be good for Russia and for the West. The confrontation will be very good for the West - and quite bad for Russia. The ultimate is that finally Russians desire to change their leaders - put out their present criminal leaders. Then a free Russia, will take back her natural part in Europe.

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M E 20 September, 2008, 14:23

Andrey, I agree. Not only would we both lose in a war, but we would miss the opportunities of partnership. We should be getting rich together. We could be sending manned missions to the moon or to Mars. I read that the money USA spent in just Iraq could have paid for 2 return trips to Mars, with change left over. Imagine what we could do there in partnership with Russia?

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john 20 September, 2008, 17:01

The strategy should be to let Russia arm up once again, starve their people out so they can have more tanks and missiles while their corrupt ruling few get richer and let them implode once again. They don't learn from their mistakes. There are probelms in the US, but history has shown the US system is resilient and always rebounds.its just a matter of time. The world is alsoe levered to the US. If they get a cold everyone else gets a flu. If they get a flu, we have pneumonia. If they get pneumonia we go into a coffin.

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