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David 30 August, 2008, 08:24 TonyS57 : Yes, you are right. I had stated this point a few occassions a while ago. There has been not one Western politician or Western media outlet that has expressed sorrow for these people. Not even from the UN. There has been no condemnation against USA for their disproportionate use of force against innocent civilians and now the disproportionate show of force in the Black Sea (which is against all international treaties) All there has been, from the Western policticians and media, is talk of war with Russia - classic example is Miliband's speach in which he has said'.war with Russia, without question.'
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Aryan Indian 30 August, 2008, 10:44 Well said Rad, I couldnt agree any more. On top of your whole list, May I add few more? Illegal Elections. Concentration camps in Gitmo. Rapping 14 years Japanese and Iraqi girls by Marines. Torture sells like Abu Ghraib. Forcing to eat Disgussting food in which they urinated. Unleash K9 german shepperd on Tied up human being. Cut with razer blades on their Genitals. Electricute in Groin. Cigarrett burn on private parts. SHOCK AND AWE. (only Military way) no other way they can shock anyone or anyhow. Hold Mexicans,Black and Indians without any charges filed. Accessive forces used by Police on Handcuffed Minority (mostly Black) Married President having sex with daughter age girls while knowing that all eyes and ears are on president in worlds most powerful office (Yet it seems like he didnt care, Reflect the Nation, in the Mirror, tells whole lot of nation if president is not so moral. I have seens this all by my own eye. Who ever dont agree with this facts, they are just trying to FOOL themself and NO ONE ELSE. and then Ofcrouse here is your list.
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Gennadiy 30 August, 2008, 17:04 Rad, if you understand that US is essentially one party system, and there is no difference between Obama and Mccain, why do you think it would make any sense for them to sway public opinion one way or the other? In addition, they also have Diebold election machines, together with total media control it makes it bulletproof to elect only those who they want. Russia is what they are after, not election.
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Chad 30 August, 2008, 17:34 It's funny reading some of these comments from you pseudo-intellectuals thinking you know what's going on in the world. It's so ironic to see some of you complain about Western media bias, I suggest you worry about your own media's credibility first. There isn't an ounce of objectiveness in Russian media, because it ISN'T ALLOWED. Russian government and media is so corrupt to the point where anything deemed anti-nationalist or anti-government will be shut down. At least the media in the US isn't afraid to bring down its leaders when they falter, unlike in Russia. Talk about brain-washed.
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Aryan Indian 30 August, 2008, 23:09 Chad- YOu mean like Georgia did? Block all Russian Channels or TV programes on Bushes Finger tips? and like CNN and FOX eliminated the 12 years old girls story that Russian Soldiers helped her getting out of the conflict zone and She wanted to Thank Russia Troops? Like your TV never report that your Marine rapped 14 year old girl in Japan, and Iraq and Afghanistan? Does your CNN,FOX or whatever fuck is that Reported YET that since occupation of Afghanistan, the Opium production is RECORD HIGH? I didnt find this out from CNN,BBC or FOX, I read on Afghan Government website (not taliban or arab website by the way) IS IT ALLOWED IN YOUR COUNTRY TO EVEN TALK ABOUT YOUR GOVERNMENT SCREW UPS? ILLEGAL FLIGHT FROM GERMANY,DENMARK,UK,ITALY do they AIR this on your National Television?
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mark 31 August, 2008, 00:17 chad-russia have not plunderd, invaded, tortured, killed and imposed there ideolegy on countless countrys/states in the last 6 decades like The USA have. The USA claim they do this in the name of democracy and freedom-what rubbish, try oil, power, strategic dominance and enforced ideolegy! America has caused more havoc in recent times than any one.
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john 31 August, 2008, 07:34 Russia does not live up to its responsibilities as a permanent member of the UN security council. By being permanent member Russia has mandate to represent not only itself but also the rest of the world. In recent days the US did once again what we all know they can do – to fly over a third world country and dump bombs on people sleeping in their mud houses. This time in Afghanistan, killing 90 people. People who were not identified neither accused of anything. Neither charged. This is the most primitive bastardly act of murder, committed in a country colonized by the US, where they have total control. These murders happen routinely now. If the UN is worth any damn shit it must stop this bastardly acts and prosecute the culprits. It is disgusting that the whole world is so dump, full of most pathetic cowards, who by being silent are making themselves accomplice to these murders. No need to debate that if such murders were committed by other countries the UN led by the US would be already chasing and prosecuting those responsible. For too long Russia tried to be friend of the West and closed it eyes to crimes committed by those double standard pathetic hypocrisies. The West wanted Russia only as a pet. That should be clear to Russia by now. It is time to meet its UN responsibility with respect to the world.
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nate 31 August, 2008, 07:57 As i read these blogs as well as others around the world including my own countries, i am saddened. It is a mirror image to every other countries news. They are all one sided. So i wish to make a statement from an american to the russians. I nor do I beliave any american (aside from a few iggnorant people who know nothing) condemn the russian action anymore than we condemned the invasion of iraq, but truth be said, I have no idea what the truth is on the matter. Evry news station in the world has a different angle, and when everyone claims truth, it gets confusing. The fact of the matter is, anyone who believes any news, foriegn or domestic is getting information from an unreliable source. You must have an extreme doubt of the actions of the few when they claim to be in the name of the many. Not just of my president bush, but of other world leaders too. Throughout history, we have seen the power become too much for a select few and do aweful things. We as the people (not of just russia, or the US, or the UK) we the people of the world have the duty to make sure or leaders and others stay in check. I will be the first to admitt that america has lost much of it's ability and desire to challenge it's goverment, hence a war with such a low approval rating from it's people. But things are changing. All I ask as a person on the same planet as you, is to just simply not get caught up in the news, and think to yourself.what is right, and being unbiased, is what the select few doing right. " If your actions mirror that of of our own (iraq) and I condemn it and you condemn it, then shouldn;t your own actions be condemned too? Take from us, we have learned the hard way as an american people, Go bless, and always keep hope that one day we will be able to live the way we all want in peace.
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panther 31 August, 2008, 08:09 http://rugfish.blogspot.com/ Researching Globalization I find it originates from a research team at Yale University which was financed by the UK in 2001. I recall Gordon Brown being the architect of the "Aid for Trade" programme which led to the bringing about of the G8 summit meetings and Doha talks. The Yale University Globalization website says :- Global economic governance The painfully acquired awareness of the need for an international rules-based framework is what led to building the existing multilateral system, a system that has made important contributions to the unprecedented progress and economic growth that many countries have enjoyed since the end of the Second World War. Yet, the challenges of globalization today cannot adequately be handled by a system that was designed largely for the world of more than half a century ago. For a range of common problems the world has no formal institutional mechanism to ensure that voices representing all relevant domains are heard in the discussion, nor is there an instrument or procedure commonly agreed upon for deciding who does what. The Center aims to contribute to the discussion of how to fill the existing gaps in global economic governance. Foreign policy role of key international players The strategies and policies of the major geopolitical actors affect the whole structure of international relations. Consequently, the Center will embark in foreign policy discussions exploring the choices, demands, and options as well as the internal and external forces acting upon major players such as the U.S. and the EU as they develop their policies. Reform of United Nations Extract: ( pdf ) Since the end of the Cold War, the Council has been much more active than before, but, a few remarkable successes apart, it has continued to be deadlocked when trying to prevent or solve serious crises. Not surprisingly, Security Council reform, which last took place some 40 years ago, has been an outstanding issue for a long time. Various attempts to adapt the Council have failed due to strong disagreements among UN members, particularly on the issue of enlargement. Global governance for peace and security For good reason, one of the oldest applications of international cooperation is found in the area of peace and security. Yet, it is obvious that existing multilateral arrangements to control international violence are not appropriate to deal with present or foreseeable conflicts and threats. An international environment characterized by conflict and violence would end up undermining, or even reversing, globalization, as occurred previously prior to the second World War. Consequently, the Center will work to support the generation of ideas to improve global collaboration for peace and security. Key factors for inclusion in globalization Although it is usually true that “one size does not fit all,” there is also the valid presumption that there are some policy-dependent factors that will make it more likely for people, communities and countries to engage successfully in the global market economy. Helping to identify those factors will also be a defining criteria for the Center’s future activities. Papers include: "The Future of Migration": Irresistible Forces meet Immovable Ideas Lant Pritchett Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University Center for Global Development. Globalization surely involves all aspects of world trade, enlargement, foreign policy, security, reform of international laws within the United Nations, and world immigration, and world economic policies, and is by any other name The New World Order. Extract from Yale University study of Globalization. ( website ) The programs and activities of the Center share a common purpose and aim toward one or more goals, all serving to stimulate discussion and examination of the core issues and to connect individuals and institutions whose work contributes to the debate on globalization. Central to YCSG’s goals is to link academia and the policy world. Source: Yale Centre for Globalization website and related papers: http://www.ycsg.yale.edu/center/index.html You only have to listen to what players in this fiasco are saying to one another to find out why we have "Global Problems". August 30, 2008, 0:37 Putin: Russia won’t be isolated http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29694 "Europe and the U.S. are not the whole world,” he said.
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Apple 31 August, 2008, 10:21 I like the polish primeminister Donald Tysk's statement that AMD rockets in Poland will defend it. Really? Does Poland become more secure after hundreds of russian nuclear rockets are aimed at AMD? Who does he try to fool, the poles?
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john 31 August, 2008, 18:25 The Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has redefined what political prostitution is. In his election campaign he was promising improvement of relations with Russia. After he got elected he accepted American money and decided to bark on Russia instead. He signed AMD with the US disregarding overwhelming opposition from the polish public, (besides the neighbor Russia) with no referendum neither parliamentary approval. In fact Tusk had no authority to sign on behalf of Poland. The same can be said about the Czech Republic. It is a shame on the US in particular. Officially they ‘support’ democracy, they say. On the other hand they make deals with unrepresentative governments who act without mandate. This is shocking and immoral. However the most surprising is that Tusk and his clique do not show any responsibility towards people they claim to represent. It appears Tusk has chosen to serve American imperialism, drag his country and in fact Europe into unnecessary tensions. I hope he will disappear soon. Before the ratification by the polish parliament, Russia should campaign in Poland. I do not think that the polish political representation has any vision or strategy for the future, that is besides being American pets. This is group of corrupted, morally bankrupt, and politically prostituted individuals who did not grew up to represent anybody. They have no ability to lead Poland. They embarrass Europe. And the fact is Europe and Russia must exist and work together – there is no other choice.
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Robert 31 August, 2008, 19:10 It is clear that the AMDs are aimed at Russia. Consider, however, that the technology is unproven and likely to remain so. The American rockets are useless and Russia has nothing to fear. It looks to me like Tusk is taking advantage to Washington's obsessive stupidity to squeeze out benefits for Poland. If so, he is taking uneccesaary risks. Poland's best chance for lasting peace and prosperity is to maintain good relations with Russia.
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Aryan Indian 31 August, 2008, 19:23 John you said: This is the most primitive bastardly act of murder, committed in a country colonized by the US, where they have total control. yes they do Totally control and since that total control of US in Afghanistan, The Opium production is Record high, It is more then Double even when Taliban had Total Control.
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Chad 31 August, 2008, 20:30 Aryan Indian: Every single news story you posted has actually been aired in US media. You failed to even make a solid point there. It isn't hard to google "CNN marine rape girl japan", you'll see for yourself numerous results of articles, reports, videos, or blogs from the "evil US media". With that said, I'm well aware that the news won't touch on every single story or present an objective viewpoint every single time, as is the case with media from ANY country, especially Russia. Mark: Is your post some kind of joke? Are you really going to completely disregard the fact that Russia has invaded Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Georgia all while committing deplorable acts to the people of these nations? Or did the Russian media not tell you about the numerous innocent people murdered and raped in Afghanistan at the hands of Soviet soldiers? Are you going to completely disregard the fact that Russia has a long history of supporting, arming, and funding rebel movements that threaten democracy all across the world? Believe me, Russia has as much blood on its hands as the US, if not more. Russia hasn't made nearly as much headlines with these sort of incidents in recent years only because it hasn't been able to. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia's economy was reduced to dog shit and the military was left outdated. But this current Russia/Georgia situation shows that a bump in the economy can remind a nation of its old ways of being intimidators and bullies to its neighbors all while threatening the world with a possible new world war. And don't be fooled, Russia has its own oil and strategic motives in that region. This whole Georgia conflict isn't to "protect its citizens" like you all love to claim. Its so Russia can deter opposition and gain more influence in the region so it can gain more control over the oil pipelines that flow through the region. Some of you fail to realize these motives though, because its much easier to blame the "big bad evil" Nato/US/West.
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Apple 1 September, 2008, 05:30 To Chad Come on, Chad, noone here is talking about russia is on right side and you are on the wrong. Afganistan is a contry that was invaded and controled by the British, then by the Soviets and now by the US. But if the Soviet is "an evil empire" who are the US and Britain? Chechnya is now has the atonomous status and its own freely elected presedent (a chechen by nationality by the way), parlament even its militia and seems much better than 10 years ago then it was ruled by radical islamists who were supported by London. Russia has Chechnya, Azerbaijan and Armenia are also in frozen relations over Karabax, Turkey and Iran with its own problems is near too, the Caucasus is a strategic region, all these neibours want peace, stability and prosperity here. Europe is near and is worried about it too, but US is far away from here, knows nothing about it but blindly follows its destructive policy in the region bringing weapons, instability and conflicts between the neibours who have lived for centuries in peace. We should refuse US role in mediating the conflicts here, listen to EU and UN voice. AMD is just a new armrace, if america has so much money for building new weapons could we kindly ask them to help people in Africa who die from starvation? 20 billions $ could save a lot of poor africans. The number 1 superpower is concerned with weapons and weapons only, where are the people.
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Vijay Singh 1 September, 2008, 10:48 Poland's best chance for lasting peace and prosperity is to maintain good relations with Russia. - Why only Poland, why not the whole of Europe? Can someone answer these questions - Who is more important as an energy to Europe? Which country has the largest market for its goods/technology? Which country borders Europe and is not separated by oceans? Which country has spare fallow land and huge reserves of fresh water? oNLY TWO CHOICES Please.RF or US Which country is best equipped to escape the vagaries of the next Global warming if and when it happens.? Which is the natural partner for Europe - Here there are three choices - China, India or RF
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Sevodnya_Net 1 September, 2008, 13:33 "Chechnya is now has the atonomous status and its own freely elected presedent (a chechen by nationality by the way), parlament even its militia and seems much better than 10 years ago then it was ruled by radical islamists who were supported by London" Chechnya has always had "autonomous" status, so nothing has changed there. 10 years ago it did not a "radical Islamist" government: the government it did have was floundering badly due to the presence of a lot of frustrated warlords who still had guns but no Russians to fight any longer. It got no support from anyone, least of all Russia, which did everything it could to undermine it, and this after signing a "peace treaty" with it in 1996. As we have seen before and since, treaties and agreements signed by Russia tend not to be worth the paper they are written on. I concede that Chechnya was poorly governed during the time of its de facto independence, but it had the misfortune of being on the wrong side of the tracks as far as location is concerned. As for it having free elections, that is of course a sorry joke: there is nothing free about political life there nor is there in Ingushetia where it seems FSB rogue elements are allowed to run wild. I'm pleased to see that RT has highlighted the case of Magomed Yevloyev, murdered there recently. Chad's comments, in short, are largely spot on. An island of sense in the general sea of surreal madness that I wade through here :-)
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Karakas 1 September, 2008, 21:33 john: What good would referendum be if most of the information regarding this installation is top secret? Only government can make that decision. Besides recent polls show that most of the polish public supports the shield. What does it have to with american democracy, I will never know. Also, calling polish government "american pets" isn't accurate. Moscow was one of the first capital prime minister Tusk visited, showing how important to him is maintaining good relations with Russia, and signing the shield pact was preceded by some long and difficult negotiations, so what you are writing is just unfair.
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Rad 3 September, 2008, 04:20 Response to comments by Gennadiy on August 30, 2008, 21:04 The United States should have let Shakishvelli speak at both Party Conventions, wearing his Camouflaged American Body Armor, in his tantrums running around like a headless sky is falling "Chicken Little" on the stage fleeing from imagined "Russian aggression." Perhaps they can even get a Predator drone to fly around in the Convention Hall so Shakishvelli really wets his pants in fright in front of the camaras. Gennadiy, I agree with you, the target of the West is Russia. But the facade of the "election" and its true purpose is also important to the myth of United States and part of the overall strategy. That is why I still agree with Prime Minister Putin's comments. Before I made the previous post, I had not seen Prime Minister's Putin's second interview where the Republican party was mentioned. I feel Georgia could have attacked anytime, why did it attack when on it did? As discussed, we do not know the full extent of the United States Alliances objectives with their Georgia Client State sponsored attack, but one thing we can agree upon is that Russia was and still is the target of this underhanded War the West is undertaking. We are looking at one battle (in South Ossetia and Abkhazia) and what the Western Alliance hoped to achieve with this War against Target Russia. This is but one battle in the whole War that still continues. Like Bush said in his 911 speech, some parts of this War will be seen and others not (Covert), descending into darkness and underhandedness, as Vice President Cheney eluded to. During World War I, the West fought Russia with the German drive, covert action and the hand of Woodrow Wilson with its self serving League of Nations. Russia was deliberately carved up by the hand of Woodrow Wilson and his Western Alliance to weaken Russia and strengthen the West. During World War II and the Cold War, where the Blitzkrieg failed, the West banded together to do the same: weaken Russia and conquer the World. Today, the West fights with the same Blitzkrieg that utilizes: 1) NATO expansionism past Germany (a Germany that should never have been reunified in my view, East and West Germany were the Buffer, not Ukraine and Georgia), 2) sponsored client state aggression Blitzkriegs hoping to take territory, and 3) terrorist attacks to destabilize, weaken and conquer Russia or other lands. Then in the past and now are no different in the desire of what the West hopes to achieve. The battles of the past still fight on with the same ferocity. This time, in targeting Russia, as the main objective, the United States and its Allies hoped to pinch off the front lines to solidify their Georgia project front line, consolidating their position and foothold in the region. This was similar to what the Germans hoped to achieve when they attacked Kursk in 1943, hoping to pinch off the Soviet forces in the Kursk Bulge, to solidify and shorten their lines, while destroying the Soviet forces. As part of the greater plan. In the minds of the Axis United States: Abkhazia and South Ossetia represented the 1943 Kursk salient, requiring a Southern and Northern German attack to solve the problem of consolidating the Axis front line for the next moves into Mother Russia. In classic Russian tradition, the 2008 Battle of Kursk and the new 2008 Kursk Russian counteroffensive were a success. Like in 1943, the Battle of Kursk does not represent the end of Fascism or the whole picture, because the War still continues. It is a beginning, if not continuation of the end of Fascism since Stalingrad, rooting and driving Fascism out of Mother Russia. Hopefully, Russia continues the momentum of success on all fronts. From what we have seen, Russia is on the right path taking the high moral ground: 1) Defense of its citizens, Peace Keepers and weaker people who fell victim to Georgian-Western aggression and genocide, anywhere, anytime. 2) Irreversible Recognition of nationhood, 3) Unwavering protection of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, 4) Buffer Zone, 5) Call for and hopefully Arms Embargo against Georgia (even if it is unilateral, I hope), 6) Resolve for Peace, justice and stability, etc. As I tried to say in my first post, the United States and its allies in targeting Russia as the main objective with this 1943 Kursk style surprise attack, also selected the best possible time and date to achieve maximum results on a wide spectrum, to include success of a secondary range of beneficial objectives which I outlined in brief. The timing of the attack also benefits the facade of the US election process, in becoming a subject for public discussion, an issue. A cause for concern. The US public may have thought the Cold War was over, hoping to benefit from social programs and peace. Now they are warned of threats and aggression. It is a wake up call for them. Like Fascism, Democracy in the United States also needs to hold party rally's. They need fires, scapegoats and saviors, and a play of fictional acting to present all of this to their people, and to the World, so no one is in doubt of the One Party position. The American people are tired, confused and disillusioned. They need lies to let them know what is happening and what needs to be done for peace and prosperity. In their small towns and communities, there is a void. Many people are far away fighting overseas or returning disabled or in coffins. Domestic security forces are showing signs of fatigue and shortages, with many of its Police, and other manpower, serving in the military reserves being sent to active military duty. These Political Convention rally's serve to keep hopes up, mobilize the US people, fever up hatred and drive home the "reality" of the Cold War, its threats and acceptance for the response: "Why We Fight." They serve as "fire side chats" to "educate" the US public like a "State of the Union." Russia is deliberately and falsely portrayed as the aggressor and a threat. In all of this play acting to the domestic and international arena, still, only a small percentage of the whole United States population participates in these fixed elections. Considering the manufactured threat, now when the US people see large military budgets funding Cold War projects, they will be more accepting of this response and so will the rest of their Western Alliance. Create the need, then satisfy the need. In American tradition, with this manufactured Russian "aggression," the people may be tricked into accepting more sacrifices at home (domestic programs, failed economy, etc.) while national security dominates and takes center stage in their concerns. The American public and the rest of the World can only be tricked with the American Uncle Ben Laden for so long. New tricks are needed. After isolating and killing their Uncle Ben Laden, then invading Iran, Syria and Venezuela, what is left? What is more important for Americans after that, taking money away from War making for an FDR "Chicken in every pot" projects or security against manufactured Russian "aggression?" The United States and its allies fevering up the cold war, now justify expansion, deployment of missiles in Poland, increased "defense" spending, etc. while domestic issues can now receive a lesser priority. If Russia was portrayed as a partner and friend, how could the US government explain away its policies both domestically and internationally as far as NATO expansion are concerned? The Georgia Aggression was well thought out by the United States and its allies to cover as much ground and as many objectives as possible. Even in classic Anglo American humor, they have the United States and Britain playing "Bad Cop" and the French and Germans playing "Good Cop" all against Russia. As if there is a difference between these self appointed dirty Policemen of the World and what they truly represent to Russia and the World. If I may, let me also correct some the extensive English grammatical errors I made in my previous post with a hopefully corrected paragraph below: "With his white complexion shining through, he still addresses the matter as "Russian Aggression" which should make more than clear his Slave Master upbringing. Like the cult leader beast worshiping the "divine bomb" from the "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" 1970 film, Barack Obama (AKA, Barry Soetoro, etc. whatever his real name is, Obama has more names that can't be remembered than McCain has homes) has removed his outer false faced black mask and revealed the white bloody terror complexion of his inner most soul and self to his God. The other choice, McCatastrophe, the fattest surrendering collaborating POW to return from Vietnam, and his Fuehrer Bunker bed warmer Vice President wench beauty queen, representing a baby factory with 5 children, having spent more time working on her back, doesn't either. The only possible advantage of McCatastrophe for the American public and their liberties, may be in the issue of gun rights, owning high capacity magazines, certain types of ammunition and in the field of disabilities. McCain will create more disabled people through Wars of conquest only to be treated with "compassion" by his beauty queen VP."
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