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Who is to blame for Georgian-Abkhazian tension?
vencor 31 October, 2007, 07:45 The Georgian Govt of Misha is simply a round clan of misfits trying to fit into a legal Square peg. The answer is simple and stares at one's face. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are seperate states. HOWEVER, if legally they are kept within Georgia, then all such attempts such as Kosovo, Catalan, Scottish and the Begian movements must be given the same treatment!
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jibs 31 October, 2007, 11:30 Deadlock in the peacetalks is to be blamed. I have an impression that non of the sides is intested to cooperate on anyting unless that get 100% of what they want. Potential for any compromise is likewise minimal on the background of all these "incidents". Russia on the other hand is far from being a constructive player. And it could be understood: Georgia's tone, aspirations, long-term strategy irks it very much. But here is the question: What kind of Georgia Russia wants to see, so that it seriously starts to make some progress in the conflict resolution??? blog on the issue: blogs.tol.org/conflicts
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MihalMihalich 31 October, 2007, 15:49 Dear Ladies & Gentlemen If you have a car accident, and one of the cars is empty, parked on parking lot, whom do you blame? Georgian-Abkhazian tension has very recent history of military conflict. Georgia started last conflict & Georgia is at it again. Best Regards.
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Norman 31 October, 2007, 16:06 The Georgian-Abkhazian crisis is a lingering issue of the break-up of the Soviet Union. In Latvia, Estonia and Georgia resident Russians are often treated second class. I believe this is some former Soviet Republics and Warsaw Pact nations trying to punish Russians for the Soviet era policies. There needs to be some serious healing here!
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Daryl 31 October, 2007, 21:55 Georgia is currently an American puppet. Saakashvili takes his orders directly from Washington. With such war-mongering masters, of course Georgia started the conflict.
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Taras 1 November, 2007, 06:31 The root cause is the manner in which Moscow carved up the empire or conquered territories into "soviet republics" without regard to historic or ethnic border considerations. The same with central Asia, Crimea, etc. Analogous to the way that the British carved up the Ottoman empire creating unnatural divisions and leading to the horrible mess in Mideast today. By the way, Daryl you are a buffoon.
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Sevodnya_Net 1 November, 2007, 08:57 Taras is right (well, I won't say anything about the "buffoon" bit!). Certainly Iraq is a prime example of how to create a problem waiting to happen and then make it happen decades later! Another fine example is Moldova, where the Soviet Union effectively tried to invent an ethnicity, then added in some Ukrainians and Russians for good measure, just to beef the place up a bit, with predictable results today. With a situation like Georgia/Abkhazia, as in many ethnic conflicts, no side escapes blameless. Georgia, to its credit, supported Chechen independence when no one else did, and yet denies it to Abkhazia. Yet Russia very obviously agitates for "independence" (puppet state status) for the ethnic regions of Georgia while refusing to contemplate anything similar for its own regions. I suspect that the Russians are now deliberately stirring things in that region (and South Ossetia) for their own ends, but I don't know for certain.
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MihalMihalich 1 November, 2007, 19:47 Dear Ladies and Gentlemen Mr Sevodnya_Net, this topic is about Georgian-Abkhazian tension. It doesn’t involve US, Ukraine or Russia. Because they did not start it. If you have any idea on how they can resolve conflict with diplomatic approach without firing guns & bloodshed or maybe explain why they don’t get along with each other, then please. Quoting Sevodnya_Net posted “Georgia, to its credit, supported Chechen independence when no one else did” So Georgia takes credit for Budenovsk, Nord-ost, Beslan too? Regards
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Sevodnya_Net 2 November, 2007, 08:34 "Mr Sevodnya_Net, this topic is about Georgian-Abkhazian tension. It doesn’t involve US, Ukraine or Russia. Because they did not start it. If you have any idea on how they can resolve conflict with diplomatic approach without firing guns & bloodshed or maybe explain why they don’t get along with each other, then please." No please - you first! :-) I haven't a clue how to solve the issue so I await your suggestions. It certainly does involve Russia, though. Some say Russia is doing a sterling job trying to create peace and others say that they are poking their nose in where it doesn't concern them. The answer probably is somewhere is the middle as I can understand that Russia doesn't want a conflict on its border. It seems that here as in a lot of cases people's attitudes are driven by ethnic and political rivalries so for example the Abkhazians' dislike for Georgians pushes them towards Russia and similarly I'm not naive enough to deny that was partly the reason for an earlier Georgian regime's support for Chechnya.
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Sam 4 November, 2007, 07:20 There are two parties in this conflict - Georgia and Abkhazia.There is a stalemate at the moment.with the CIS peace keepers or supporters of Abkhazia whatever way you want to see them in between them.This situation is just great for Abkhazia.Cos the longer it remains that way the more "independent" they will be.With the CIS in place there is no chance Georgia can take the territory back.So they are doing everything in the book to make them leave.As for Abkhazia and Russia they have nothing to gain by provoking Geogia.My impression is Georgia is doing everything to make the troops leave so it can try to take Abkhazia back.
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Emperor Impera 28 July, 2008, 14:15 I belive that Georgia is souly to blame for the atrocities in Abkhazia and South Ossetia reasons they are too pro western and being too oppressive toward the breakaway republics. I would love to see Abkhazia and South Ossetia independent and free and recognised around the globe today. So there is a solution for this why dont Abkhazia and South Ossetia Join Russia itself temporally and not the Russia/Belarus union just yet so that Russia would take the breakaway republics under its golden wings then if they wish to join the union they will have to weigh out the Pro's and Con's for financing the breakaway republics. Also who else I do blame is the US reasons they are making the breakaway republics the second Bosnia Herzegovina and Serbia war which killed thousands Thanks to the US. I fully praise Russia for Introducing the full release of funds from Abkhazia earlier this year. Georgia has to let these countries go and grow into something special. Or how about if both North Ossetia and South Ossetia was to create Greater Ossetia and Initially and automatically become of russia anyway to reunite all of Greater Ossetia all together. So all in all it is a "Win Win" Position for both of the repuplics.
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Tom 28 July, 2008, 16:32 According to all international laws all disputes should be resolved based on people’s will. If you return all 400,000 Georgian refugees to Abkhazia and then ask the population if they want to live with Georgia, a simple calculation will show you that 85% will vote for staying within Georgian boundaries. Otherwise if you follow Russian logic: Russia is protecting its own 70,000 citizens currently living in Abkhazia, then Georgia can do the same. Over 1,000,000 of Georgian citizens live in Russia. Georgia has more rights to defend its own citizens in Russia. If tomorrow in one of the regions of Russia Georgians decide to declare independence from Russia, will Georgia have legitimate right to send troops there?
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TARIQ 28 July, 2008, 23:52 i say georgia needs abkhazia because it holds georgias only coast on caspian sea,abkhazia on the other hand cant be an independent country becouse it doesnt have what a country needs to be one!RUSSIA wants to have something to threat georgia with if it decides to join NATO!
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Norman 30 July, 2008, 16:00 This crisis is another after-shock of the break-up of the USSR! AND TENSION BETWEEN GEORGIA AND RUSSIA. The unfortunate victims are the ethnic Abkhazians. My personal view is that Georgia is like Estonia, trying to distance itself from Russia ( for the sins of the old USSR days ).
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Francis 31 July, 2008, 10:18 If georgians believe they can survive and move forward through the u s influence,then they are marking a grevious mistake,because the so call westerners are seeking there own interest and will never accept of seeing other people moving forward.George should start to think and work closely with its neighbour like russia.
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Rad 2 August, 2008, 09:07 Georgia. Creating tensions in the area predominantly serve only Georgia and its Anglo American NATO interests. Georgia's actions hope to display that Russia is inadequate as a Peace Keeper. They serve the Georgian-United States delusional dream for the introduction of an International Police Force (i.e. Pro Western Alliance) to either replace or "counterbalance" the Russian presence. By destabilizing or removing the Russian presence with this IPF, Georgia while safeguarded with United States Troops, would then launch attacks to isolate or take over as much Abkhazian territory as is possible.
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Jesse 2 August, 2008, 21:15 Hello In my humble opinion, the mess between Russia and Georgia over Abkazia is the doing of Georgian fanatics on CIA payrolls and marching orders from Condi Rice. Before 9-11, the US was supportive of the Chechen rebels. Then along comes 9-11. Suddenly Radical Islam, which fueled Dadayev, etc., was the new enemy.This is regardless of whatever Chechen terrorists were doing to Russia on their own. Bush met Vladimir Putin, looked "into his soul" or whatever nonsense he mumbled, and the USA backed off. However, people such as Condi Rice were very receptive to the Georgian leadership precisely because any incidents that may result between Russia and Georgia in these tense times would or could be a pretext for the USA to curtail contacts with Russia, such as what McCain is now talking about(boot Russia from the G8), or perhaps worse. Regardless of what happens on the ground in Abkazia, the neo-cons could use it as a pretext for any number of actions hostile to Russia.
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Sir Marky 4 August, 2008, 06:50 Russia it would seem is not a helpful party here. The borders of Georgia is defined internationally. Russia has issued citizenship and passports to foreign nationals on mass to try and force its influence and vision on other states. Abkazia and South Ossetia are Georgian and Russia should not be interfering in any way. It is far from a neutral bystander or peacekeeper. It would be better for Russia to leave Georgian territory and allow a true neutral force to stand between the two sides and work out a federal or confederal solution to the separatists. Georgia's offers so far have been very generous including a withdraw of it's NATO aspirations and a very broad level of autonomy within the state to both regions but the behaviour of the Abkazians and Russia's interference seems to have stopped rather than encouraged progress. Its presence in Moldova and Georgia shows it wants those countries to do as Moscow tells them in return for their 'independence' rather than allowing them to sort out their problems with International and not Russian peacekeepers. The provocations from either side needs to stop and that means the South Ossetians and Abkazians should withdraw their armed men away from the regional border with the rest of Georgia. Russia must withdraw and allow a true neutral force to be deployed.
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MihalMihalich 4 August, 2008, 17:08 Dear Ladies & Gentlemen I would like to accent most important things about this conflict. Georgia is in fact dropping mortar shells and hail of bullets on cities and villages of Abkazia and South Ositia killing civilians, police and military. There is a captured radio wave where allegedly President of Georgia Sakshvili gives order to attack South Osisia. This is almost a PERFECT replica of Albanian terrorists killing Serbs to drive them out of their homes, and we know what happened there, UN still afraid to admit Kosovo is illegal state, but for US is perfect place without defenition, Guantanamo Bay on Cuba or 8000 men military base in Kosovo. But this time it is Georgian Army 5-10 thousand men, recently Armed and trained by United States. And they by themselves will never take control over neither Ositia or defently not Abkazia. And only reason Georgia actually started killing people is because they received support to do it from the United States. This whole shooting is against any law and regulation of any country and UN, but 15 aircraft carriers give you immunity to the law, and we are not going to get into it. Right now it is very simple, because Abkazia and South Ositia are not recognized, so the only valid citizenship they have is Russian. United States gives training, weapons & support to Georgian Army to kill Russians. How is this not the Cold War? Best Regards
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IP 4 August, 2008, 17:50 Rad, Russia does not have to be a a peace keeper in Goergia-Abkhazia conflict! Abkhazia is a break away republic and clearly does not wish to remain within Georgia! South Ossetia is the next one who wants to break away! There are good reasons why those repulics want to separate from the US influenced president of Georgia! Definitely, lack of democracy is the major one. Within these circumstances I feel that Georgia has very little chance of joining the North Atlantic alliance. Until then theres practically no chance that UN forces would enter Goergia.
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