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Did global warming help bring down Air France flight 447?

Published: 04 June, 2009, 21:35
Edited: 12 February, 2010, 10:54


As the investigation continues as to what brought down the French airliner over the Atlantic Ocean with 228 people on board, a Russian climatologist believes global warming played a significant part.

 
31 COMMENTS
Troy June 04, 2009, 19:03 quote
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Ridiculous. Is this what it's coming down to? Every single tragic event will be caused by global warming. Nice.

Count Cash June 04, 2009, 19:30 quote
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Troy - rediculous, you bet, I suppose they went for global warming in this story, their other choice could have been Stalin was to blame. Extremists, the modern breed!

Artyom June 04, 2009, 19:36 quote
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This is rediculous. Global Warming is politics! Nothing more! Climate change is always occuring. It is 9 degrees Celsius outside as I write, very warm for summer. Real environmentalism has been hijacked in the name of governmental controls and social engineers. One should be more concerned with chemical polution and Genetically Modified Organisms (FrankenFoods).

George June 04, 2009, 21:12 quote
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Excuse me, but doesn't war contribute to Global Warming?

Onur June 04, 2009, 21:49 quote
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Um, no. According to the BBC, apparently the plane was brought down because it was being flown too slowly, and considering that it was an Airbus (i.e. way bigger than a Boeing), and that it was being taken through somewhat stormy conditions, I find that in itself to be much more credible than just blaming everything on global warming, as usual. As if stormy conditions have never occured before, I mean pilots should be prepared to deal with these things in the first place.

Airline Pilot with 32 years experience June 04, 2009, 23:09 quote
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well, I hate to tell you but this is the absolute hard truth. the shear factor between moisture laden, convective air, and dry air, is enough to destroy any airplane flying in that air mass, if it does not slow down to below maneuvering speed, which means a thrust reduction, and risk of putting out the fires by virtue of that.

Tomas June 05, 2009, 00:28 quote
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Artjom of course the problem is there with Monsanto and other US companies/corporations reducing number of people living by killing them with toxic food and pesticides theyll be creating in peoples bodies until they die, acknowledged that it is a big unaddressed problem. Global warming is man-made. Nowhere in history it took so little time, its not that the sun is warmer lol, but that the industry and fossil fuels did it mostly. Also company Baxter or something was mixing bird flu and normal flu and sent it as vaccines into Czech republic, Slovinia and I believe Germany. In Cz rep an employee was shocked when looking onto vaccines and found what I mentioned. Meidia played it down totally. US elite, the Uberpeople believe that theres too many of poor people and want to get rid of them, also after WW2 eugenics turned into genetics. So now they want´the strong´to survive, although this ´swine´flu US made, is likely to be just the beginning. In this case Africa will be reduced in numbers quickly, who knows about billions of Indians and Chinese. But I wonder how it will end. Now back to the warming: where I live we had one week of rains, two months of sun, now 2 weeks of rain. Its going from extreme to extreme. Ten years ago this behaviour was nonexistent. Its gonna be worse, that is indisputable. Also regional extremes are more likely instead of here a thunderstorm, but 5-10 kilometers away a shiny day. All this can be helped of course regionally by making more green, more forests so temperatures dont raise that high. Also in cities more green needs to be seen. I live in Slovakia, due to the terrain we receive a bit less of punishment from weather, but its not gonna last forever. During socialism the country ecosystem was pretty much destroyed, land owners dont get anything from making their fields unpolluted with american murderous chemistry. All the green projects need to be signed by government, and it takes time. Governments in general should provide more money for keeping their lands in natural green, so the terrain as well can hold some water and warmth instead of returning it to the atmosphere and water going off. All this reduces temperatures inland, but nothing is isolated, so...

Mario June 05, 2009, 00:46 quote
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Nonsense. Each and everyone metheorology book says the opposite, if some global warming is really happenig...

Randall June 05, 2009, 01:48 quote
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Up until now, the Russians have been very level - headed in their attitudes about 'global warming;, the worldwide political phenomenon which has conveniently morphed into 'climate change'. Because they have the honour of living daily with some of the earth's most extreme climate conditions, the Russians ability to forecast long range trends is critically important.Through their research, they understand much better the correlation between climate and solar activity ( 77%), as opposed to CO2 (22% ) during the last hundred years. Not many Russian scientists are bowing to the IPCC dogma. Hence, this report is surprising, and probably not the beginning of a trend.

John Marshall June 05, 2009, 09:17 quote
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Te ITCZ is a dangerous zone and I can attest to the fact that clouds there build to greater heights than the 50,000ft claimed. Over fourty years ago flying over the Indian Ocean, we encountered severe clear air turbulence near the ITCZ and tried to climb out of it. We climbed through and beyond 55,000 ft and there were clouds building above us even beyond the aircraft service ceiling of 65,000ft. We survived, unfortunately flight 447 did not. These high energy updraughts have been around since before global warming became a perceived problem so as far as I am concerned are a normal event in the area of the ITCZ.

Tomas June 05, 2009, 10:34 quote
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Thats funny, now because of what somebody says, we can continue destroying our place of living, or better, of others, because its the bad sun thats gonna fry us with combination of climate change we dont and cant influence. Who ever said the problem was only because of CO2 ? Because its easier to ignore? What eye doesnt see, the heart doesnt get hurt by ? There is no global warming, no climate change, and if, there is nothing we can do about it. That is incredibly defeatist and lazy. Now we can proceed destroying what is left. I hope those who say its nonsense, will have some real experience with it. Then any means of cooling down will be good, wont they? I guess when it will be late. I guess thats true about that water-filled air, seems to me like when youre jumping in water, with high speed and big surface is a lot different to just stepping in water pressure-wise. So basically going through such a storm means making yourself a trouble, either from being torn apart or losing height and energy overall making departure from it harder.

Tom Dennen June 05, 2009, 13:33 quote
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Even small aircraft have radar, usually with five, ten and fifteen mile penetration settings so you are always aware of turbulence. For obvious reasons, one does not fly straight into severe turbulence (which is characterized by the cumulus shape of the cloud formation, circumference and height. These things are highly visible on radar.) The cost of a delay in the arrival time is cheap compared with any risk to the ship. Something else happened, just fast enough to get an automatic distress signal out and nothing more. This accident may very well remain a mystery.

Capt Tom Bunn LCSW June 05, 2009, 14:29 quote
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I've flown over that area hundreds of times, and seen nothing unusual. The idea that the ITCZ frightens pilots is absurd, and only frightens readers. There are several articles on flying and flight anxiety at www.fearofflying.com/wordpress/

Tunderbar June 05, 2009, 15:44 quote
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What a pile of hot air. Unbelievable crap. Whoever wrote this nonsense and the person that allowed it to see the light of day should have their writing licenses revoked. I cannot believe that anyone would suggest this and would actually say it out loud. Words fail me. This is the worse "journalism" I've ever seen. Utter and complete nonsense.

Owl905 June 05, 2009, 15:50 quote
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The claimed link to global warming, for either this event or for supposed greater risk to the commercial airline industry, is attention-seeking nonsense, imo. If anything, the airline industry is similar to the mobility of bird and flying insect populations; they're at the least risk from the consequences of Greenhouse Gas pollution. This Airline disaster is going to come down to mechanical failure or the catch-all 'pilot error', combined with freak weather conditions where the wrong answer came up on the 'probability grid'.

Randall June 05, 2009, 15:57 quote
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Tomas wrote: ' Thats funny, now because of what somebody says, we can continue destroying our place of living, or better, of others, because its the bad sun thats gonna fry us with combination of climate change we dont and cant influence. Who ever said the problem was only because of CO2 ? Because its easier to ignore? What eye doesnt see, the heart doesnt get hurt by ? There is no global warming, no climate change, and if, there is nothing we can do about it. That is incredibly defeatist and lazy. Now we can proceed destroying what is left. I hope those who say its nonsense, will have some real experience with it. Then any means of cooling down will be good, wont they? I guess when it will be late.' --------------------------------------------- The sun is not going to fry us. The earth has a billion-year history of warming and cooling, and pretty much every Anthropogenic Global Warming skeptic agrees to this fact, despite the attempts at marginalizing the opposition which the AGW alarmists have gotten so good at. Most evidence demonstrates an average 800-year CO2 rise lag after temperatures begin to rise. The present situation is not outside the envelope of natural variability, unless you are still one of the few who believe Michael Mann's 'Hockey Stick'. To this day, there is ZERO experimental data demonstrating that CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming, never mind the fact that there has been no temp rise since 1998. None. See UAH / MSU satellite data, for reference. Attempting to stall CO2 rise has huge inherent risks - the first being that not nearly enough resources are available to complete the job. The Green Agenda would have you believe it is both doable, and affordable. It is neither. Hundreds of billions of tons of mitigated CO2 by 2050 will affect the temperature by one-tenth of one degree, and you can verify that fact by going to the IPCC, or using one of the climate modelling programs like MAGICC / SCENGEN which are available for free. In the meantime, precious time and resources are wasted, when they could have been directed toward water reallocation and / or dike construction. Spending most of your money attempting to cut CO2 emissions would have a huge risk, when put in that context. CO2 is plant food. CO2 constitutes a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, especially when compared to the REAL greenhouse gas, water vapour ( less than 0.5% versus 78% ). Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, Earth First, Environmental Defense Fund, and Sierra Club now have combined annual revenues in the $Billions. They are THE major lobbying force in Washington, and this entire issue is about POWER, and CONTROL. They have an agenda they wish to impose upon the rest of us, and it is not pretty. Vaclav Klaus knows Communism / Authoritarianism when he sees it, thus the reason for his book ' Blue Planet in Green Shackles'. Be very afraid of what is to come, as Big Enviro ( Obama, Gore, Hansen, Pelosi, Browner, Waxman and Markey ) chisels itself deeply into your personal life through taxation and control. Follow the Money.

Jeff June 05, 2009, 18:04 quote
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The Russian climatologist has shamelessly used a terrible tragedy to spread global warming alarmist propaganda around the world. He should be severely sanctioned by his peers.

Randall June 05, 2009, 23:51 quote
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Tomas wrote: ' Thats funny, now because of what somebody says, we can continue destroying our place of living, or better, of others, because its the bad sun thats gonna fry us with combination of climate change we dont and cant influence. Who ever said the problem was only because of CO2 ? Because its easier to ignore? What eye doesnt see, the heart doesnt get hurt by ? There is no global warming, no climate change, and if, there is nothing we can do about it. That is incredibly defeatist and lazy. Now we can proceed destroying what is left. I hope those who say its nonsense, will have some real experience with it. Then any means of cooling down will be good, wont they? I guess when it will be late.' --------------------------------------------- The sun is not going to fry us. The earth has a billion-year history of warming and cooling, and pretty much every Anthropogenic Global Warming skeptic agrees to this fact, despite assertions by alarmists to convince the public otherwise. AGW alarmists are constantly attempting to marginalize their opposition, and have have gotten quite good at. Most evidence demonstrates an average 800-year CO2 rise lag before temperatures begin to rise. The present situation is not outside the envelope of natural variability, unless you are still one of the few who believe Michael Mann's 'Hockey Stick'. To this day, there is ZERO experimental data demonstrating that CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming, never mind the fact that there has been no temp rise since 1998. None. See UAH / MSU satellite data, for reference. Attempting to stall CO2 rise has huge inherent risks - the first being that not nearly enough resources are available to complete the job. The Green Agenda would have you believe it is both doable, and affordable. It is neither. Hundreds of billions of tons of mitigated CO2 by 2050 will affect the temperature by one-tenth of one degree, and you can verify that fact by going to the IPCC, or using one of the climate modelling programs like MAGICC / SCENGEN which are available for free. In the meantime, precious time and resources are wasted, when they could have been directed toward water reallocation and / or dike construction. Spending most of your money attempting to cut CO2 emissions would have a huge risk, when put in that context. CO2 is plant food. CO2 constitutes a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, especially when compared to the REAL greenhouse gas, water vapour ( less than 0.5% versus 78% ). Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, Earth First, Environmental Defense Fund, and Sierra Club now have combined annual revenues in the $Billions. They are THE major lobbying force in Washington, and this entire issue is about POWER, and CONTROL. They have an agenda they wish to impose upon the rest of us, and it is not pretty. Vaclav Klaus knows Communism / Authoritarianism when he sees it, thus the reason for his book ' Blue Planet in Green Shackles'. Be very afraid of what is to come, as Big Enviro ( Obama, Gore, Hansen, Pelosi, Browner, Waxman and Markey ) chisels itself deeply into your personal life through taxation and control. Follow the Money.

terry June 06, 2009, 05:25 quote
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what craziness is this now wait until they get the plane and check all data relating to this plane going,and don't say it global warming either that's just something to make the USA go nuts over because they are planing to kill lots of people around the world and saying they have to do this because the humans are causing the warming.now this guy is saying the warming may have taken down this plane?not a chance in h**L something happened but i don't think it was global warming

Physicist PhD Australia June 06, 2009, 05:27 quote
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Complete and utter nonsense. Currently the average global temperature is less than 0.1 degrees above the the last decade average. While CO2 has increased, the globally average has cooled for the past 11 years by 0.7 degrees from its high in 1998. The short term variations can rise and fall almost a full degree over only 12 months. The past has been a lot hotter and a lot cooler. CO2 levels in the distance past have been over 10 times today's concentration without any runaway doomsday scenarios. Its politics and there is no field of science more corrupted then climate science. Many will be shamed in the years to come.

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