The center of Moscow is returning to normal following rioting on Manezhnaya Square on Saturday.
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Its really great that people are shairng this information.
Today an interesting idea came to my mind. It gives whole new perspective to what was going on.Russia wins World Cup bid, outscoring UK and US. UK officials, unlike other nations, don't bother to congratulate Russia with the victory, instead they start smear campaign in media. Two weeks later football fans conduct well organized and massive protest, lots of violence and bloodshed. The reason for all this is an incident with a fan, that happen daily in a big country like Russia.Someo ne bothered to organize this massive protests in major cities, and definitely there were provocations and radical groups on spots (which are perfect tools in crafty hands of intelligence service). All of it looks too convenient don't you think?
Astarta,I am with you. In any times of "smuta" (chaos) people start looking at and blame those who are different. This is really low animal instincts. They are looking for someone who causes problems outside of them. And it never occurs to them that they themselves might be a problem.
I am just thinking what would happen, if in this accident the guy from Caucasus would be killed and not Russian? What the chain of events would be? Russians would try to justify it? And what would be reaction of those minorities in Russia? Would they just leave? Or waiting for another victims (because without punishment Russian neo-nationalist would become even more determined to "eliminate all impurities"? Or would they assembled in the small groups and barricade their places to protect themselves?
GrizzlyBear,Ther e is no contradiction. What I was saying -- that Russians (the same as Americans) are people with the free spirit in their "genes". But, today they are scared and this their quality is covered with "the fog of security". It is like religion, which makes people being blind or shortsighted. They have different nature, but they are sleep-walking under the influence of drug. See what I mean?
You are right -- Americans do not have more desire to be free than Russians. This is the reason why I mentioned them as well.
I know that those who vote for Putin choose security. You don't have to convince me with that. This is why, as you know, I am pro-Medvedev guy.
About my "new home". As I said before, I am Russian citizen and, at least, at this point, do not have thoughts about getting American citizenship. This is one of the reasons, why I worry about Russia -- one day I will come back there. And the last thing I want to see there -- totalitarian regime in the homogeneous country.
If 1 person in Russia broke the law – condemn him! Put him in prison if it s sure what he did. But dont mix all with ethnicity!!!In Russia many people from the center who break law, but nobody tells "kill them or send them from country or from Moscow".So why this approach must be used for North Caucasians??? Judge those of them who broke the law, why others must suffer? We r sorry about these who disgrace us.And where was the logic with hitting these 7 teenagers??? What did they do bad????? Even not all were caucasians. It was just action of nacistes who found excuse dor aggression!
Bogdanov,you contradict to yourself:"pe ople should have desire to be free to become free. And this is not what I see in many Russians. They, like Americans today, trade freedom for security"vs. "...Because, Russians like freedom"Peop le who vote for Putin don't care about freedom: they vote for security and prosperity. Take it or leave it. You've chosen to leave, but I don't think that on average "desire to be free" in your new country is bigger than that in Russia. It's a zero score game. The level of complacency towards destroying freedoms is very much the same here as in Russia (as soon as doesn't affect people's well-being). Incidents like recent Moscow's riots are not uncommon either (e.g. I can recall LA riots in the early 90-th).The real difference is in economy and opportunities that come with it. I think, that the major reason why you're here is not "freedom". You didn't go to Iceland, which is probably better in sense of "freedoms", you've chosen another totalitarian, but stable country with infrastructure that allowed you to express yourself better and safer.
Dmitry,I think you are right -- it is not about football. It is more about the whole situation in the country. I suspected that from the very beginning and that why I target my blame on regular Russians. They haven't learned any lessons from their thousands years of painful history and experience. They keep waiting for someone to come and fix their problems and they would rather blame someone else (Caucasus nations in this case) rather than to answer themselves a simple questions: "What I personally did to make life being better in this country?"
Now, I am not sure, that Russians realize what they do. Because, from my perspective the situation looks pretty clear:
a) Russia looses the Caucasus region (and later, probably, Tatarstan) and proceeds as a homogeneous nation. The long term consequences -- the Siberia or Far East will be detached from Russia as well, because with the reduced population Russia would not be capable of holding them.
b) Russia applies strict laws, which would persecute and anti-national movement and promote equality of nations and minorities. Again, enforced. This way, it will keeps its territorial integrity, but, will make its internal live being more incoherent and volatile (and, possibly, make it not so comfortable for ethnic Russians).
Any other options? So, when Russians decide what they choose -- a) or b), then their actions would have some material goals and directions. Until then, it is like stirring boiling soup.
MEJanssen,When I was a young guy, I was (like any other young people) thinking that I know everything and I am capable to do everything I want. And I thought that there is this "generational thing". But, getting more and more experience in this life I am coming to the realization and conclusion that this is a nonsense. There is no well-defined generational thing. There are quality of specific people which they carry with them all their life. And they are same no matter how old they are. The only thing which we are loosing -- the physical strength and deterioration of internal organs (which may affect our brains in some way, of course). But, the structures in our brain remain the same. In fact, my theory is, that with the age the brain becomes more and more important tool for survival and therefore it getting better and more effective. You just need to supply to it three essential components which are required for its proper functioning -- oxygen, protein, and sugar.
Think about it, Warren Buffett is 70 (or something) now and he is still one of the best investors in the world. Steve Jobs -- in his 60th, and still one the best marketing geniuses on the planet. Pink Floyd -- still nobody can reach their level and they still shock the world by their performances. There are tons of other examples of people who stayed all their lives who they are...
People do not demand totalitarism -- they demand security. The totalitarism comes as a premium to this. The post-Soviet generation of Russians may have different outlook, but, once they got married and have kids -- they need security, not freedom. And they will demand it. The older generation (which already lost everything) may not need that security. For what? So, in that sense, I think, younger generation may want the totalitarian regime more than the old people.
GrizzlyBear: "people everywhere in the world are concerned about their well-being more than about their freedom."
May be statistically, majority of population does, but, this is not true statement in general. At least, I don't think that it can be applied to guys like me. Even though, I am trying to balance those two things, but, without any hesitation I would always prefer freedom over security. It doesn't mean, though, that I would stop looking or working for security. But, I would never choose secure cage with abundance of food and care over free and dangerous enterprise of making my own life and being responsible for it.
Also, regarding this matter, I would argue that, internally, North Korea (or the USSR used to, for that matter) provides more security to its citizens than, say, the US to Americans. But, where would you prefer to be?
In fact, I personally think, that those who trade security to freedom -- they move the civilization forward and they made humans who they are -- the dominant species on the planet. Because, think about it -- why would any creature with normal mind start climbing Everest or trying to fly to space knowing that it would be its last trip. And, the most "disturbing thing" -- there is no any practical outcome from such enterprises. Yet, people do that. They prefer to scrawl out of the safe place to explore the danger zones. Remember one of the Gogol's story about wise fish sitting under the safe stone all its life because of the fear being swallowed by a big fish? And why would you think Russia is the biggest country on the planet? Because, Russians like freedom. We just start forgetting about it.
apologize, sorry ,for my english.At some point it had to happen.You are looking at this as a separate fact, but try to look deeper into the problem. This is not the first time, but this time the wave reaching as far as St. Petersburg and Moscow. If interested, look for news about Kandapoga, Rostov, and so on. If 70 year-old grandmother are taking up guns, what to say about the rest .. powerlessness always begets violence.Frustra ting when you can not make your feel secure in your own country because of immigrants from the Caucasus/
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