Mainstream media brainwashed --- Root cause unknown --- Solution Unknown DARKNESS
jr
“USA... a track record of such cowardice; the mechanization
of killing from World War Two onwards has done nothing
but demeaned the professionalism of the soldier.” LIGHT
Above is a victim of Western mainstream media, for he knows not the root cause of any world problem nor any possible solution, as even liberal Western media has a blackout on such things. For they all being funded by the corporate rich, into our minds do they jam all the bloody effects of world problems, the goal being a smokescreen, something that blinds the mind by burning the emotions. ROOT CAUSE
For the more wealth a nation has, all the more does the voting majority feel it deserves more wealth, all the more is it willing to fight for wealth and most eager to plunder by brutal imperialism any weaker nation of all their wealth. SOLUTION
For nothing can be done about the super-greed of the Western world until is completely sanctioned into bankruptcy. For the Western rich nobility are the most intelligent creatures on earth and not until they are unable to fund a war of plunder shall they stop all their plunder.

jr --- INTO A FAKE MORALITY DARKNESS
jr
“I don't hold with religious fundamentalism, in fact,
I don't hold with organized religion of any kind; it's ok
for people to believe what they like, but not to proselytize.” LIGHT
Comes now jr to violate our individual right of conscience, by telling us that we may not violate his conscience. For to “proselytize” is something all psychologists, politicians and preachers must do to earn a living in their profession. For to convert one’s conscience to your way of thinking, this is what psychology, politics and religion is all about. Namely religion, only religion and nothing but religion. For everyone has a religion as we all have a conscience. For our will is our conscience, it tells us what we deserve and this is what controls every aspect of our mind, character and personality. For what a man feels he deserves, this is his highest priority in life, his watermark to achieve. So, virtually everyone in Empire USA has an ingrate illusion that live is an “unalienable right” that they deserve from nature, not a free gift but a right due and owed to them by nature. FAKE MORALITY
And so, a conviction that we deserve life, this gives a man no choice but to be convicted that he deserves all the food and wealth needed to have life. Which gives him no choice but to have conviction that he deserves to “Be All You Can Be,” to earn all you can earn, to take all you can take, own all you can own and to be a dictator over all who are on land that you own. TRUE MORALITY
A conviction that this day of life is more then anyone deserves, which gives us no choice but to except the reality that everything we own belongs to those who have less then us, which makes us feel most guilty if ever we fail to give all we can give.

to stop any drones? Pipedreamer. Who makes international law? The toothless UN?

The US are murdering civilians in another country. Where is the UN and the rest of the world. I will tell you where.... In the US pocket tangled up in puppet strings.

LDR_ONE

I read what you write, but I don't buy it.

first-off , to prevent misunderstanding, I don't hold with religious fundamentalism, in fact, I don't hold with organised religion of any kind; it's ok for people to believe what they like but not to proselytise.

now, two points.

1) do you really want me to believe that NATO/ISAF/'the West' prefer a well-ordered and governed society over a fundamentalist/Talib an run one?  if so, why did they de-stabilise and wage war on the Iraqi and Libyan societies?  both of these were secular states with good infrastructures, good educational standards for both sexes, and, by middle-eastern standards, modern and open.

2) you must have heard of the old adage: you can take a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.  knowing that, why should the NATO/ISAF/'the West' be so concerned with 'reforming' the traditional Afghan tribal society against their will?  don't you agree that it makes no sense at all?  shouldn't the 'ferengi' just go home and leave Afghans to do their own thing?

and lastly, as for Osama bin-Laden: the man was a hardcore Wahhabi, why did the CIA do business with him in the early 90s?  why were he, and the Mujaheddin first financed by, then dropped, by the CIA and other US American agencies?  expediency?

I put it to you that the biggest benefit for 'the West' in the region would be an unstable, divided, un-educated, superstitious tribal people, because they will be easier to play off against one another and easier to exploit. (and we're well on the way to achieving that)

btw, the TAPI project came about just after the Russian withdrawal from Afghannistan, I urge you to take a real close look at the timeline.  coincidence?  well, I hope you'll read enough to make up your own mind.

Pakistan allows this to happen? Pakistan is seeded with revolt and overthrow. This will only strengthen religious and seccessionist radicalism in Pakistan and the entire region. Maybe someone should send drones to bomb the US and Euro corporate headquarters of banks and weapons suppliers and manufacturers that are enslaving or killing most of the world's population.

jr (unregistered) wrote in #7

if you have an open mind, or at least a little curiousity, read up on the following (Wikipedia as a first stop, the real beef is in the various oil industry trade journals):  the TAPI (Turkmenistan - Afghanistan - Pakistan - India) gas pipeline.
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Im aware of the various theories surrounding Afghanistan. From the pipeline to control of the opium crops, everyone has a different&nbs p;motive. Im also aware that Osama was found in a military barracks town in Pakistan. Living in a mansion in the middle of the city. Didnt Pakistani soldiers walk past that mansion everyday and say: "I wonder who lives in that mansion in the center of the city?". Osama planned 9/11. Pakistan ISI hid Osama, cause the war in Afghanistan is very lucrative to Pakistan.

My point is that, once the Taliban were out of government, the west took the reponsibility to try to rebuild the country. By building schools, roads, hospitals, hydorelectric dams. Started a national police force, attempted to help them with elections. Nothing in that is wrong. Even if it was "motivated" by a pipeline, if the Afghans get a good country out of the deal...what the problem?
The Taliban have constantly hindered this progress. By attacking girls and women trying to get an education to attacking the ISAF. Why? Simply because they want to be back in power and they want Sharia laws that legalize rape and murder. And countries that have an interest in a prolonged and expensive war, like Pakistan and Iran, fuel the insurgency for their own gains.

The sad thing is, once the ISAF troops all withdraw from Afghanistan, and the Taliban takes over the country, its going to be alot worse than it is now. Will go back to being tribes and warlords agains t tribes and warlords. All that nice infrastruc ture that was built will be neglected or destroyed. The future generation of Afghans wont have the opportunity  to take advantage& nbsp;of what could have been alot of western investments in the country. So if they want to bomb the Taliban, who have deprived Afghanistan of its future, let them. They deserve it for the harm they have inflicted onto their own country while hiding in a different&nbs p;country.

LDR_ONE.

do you actaully believe in all this the "mastermind of 9/11 was in Afghanistan" rubbish yourself?  or is it just a mantra-like reassurance?

if you have an open mind, or at least a little curiousity, read up on the following (Wikipedia as a first stop, the real beef is in the various oil industry trade journals):  the TAPI (Turkmenistan - Afghanistan - Pakistan - India) gas pipeline.
althoug h officially abandoned now, the timeline from the first proposals through to company foundations and transfers, should (hopefully) give you cause to think.

Some don't

To Polondia:
So what if the USA invaded? The mastermind of 9/11 was in Afghanistan, and the Taliban refused to hand him over. It was a foolish decisio n on the part of the Taliban. They should have known that after 9/11 the USA wanted revenge. After they invaded though, they tried to bring roads and schools and power stations and civilization to Afghanistan, but the Taliban oppose it cause they prefer an oppressive&n bsp;Sharia Law.

Its also convenient that no one ever mentions the foreign backers of the Taliban. Iran and the Pakistan ISI. They both have an interest in seeing NATO bogged down in an expensive war.

To LDR_ONE. It's foolish for you to convey the ridiculous. Afghanis have every right to plant, if each had one in their homes, a nuclear device as a roadside bomb, in order to dislodge the US and it's NATO allies from their country. The US invaded,  not the other way around. Not one Afghani was involved in 9/11. The US invaded the weakest of the Muslim countries to prove a point. Like beating up on the grandmother for  some other neighbor' s kid crime. The US has always shown its cowardice in all its war. Wars against the poor and defenseless. Like napalming children in Vietnam. But when these people fight back by any means, Americans like you are outraged. This war is about piplines, natural gas, Western multinationals,  ;oil and hypocrisy. Not 9/11. 

I have ZERO sympathy for those who "dont like the drone attacks". People in Afghanistan and Pakistan want to oppose and kill NATO and ISAF troops either based on ideological reasons or for money. Which...ok, they want to fight let them fight....BUT....
THEY DONT FIGHT! They plant roadside bombs and spray machineguns on crowded streets. They cause alot of collateral damage, always hiding in the shadows and fighting like cowards. To top it off, after planting their IEDs, they high tail it into Pakistan to hide.
Since the insurgency wants to use cowardice to overcome the ISAF, then I see no problem with the Americans being just as cowardly. The Taliban plant bombs and hide. Its less deadly to do so. The Americans fly bombs in while hiding in Vegas. Its less deadly to do so. Its clear to just ab out everyone that the USA and the Pakistan ISI have a agreement worked out allowing U.S. drone attacks on its border. If the insurgents want the attacks to stop, come out and play on the battlefield and the ISAF will have no reason to flush them out of the holes they hide in.
You know, the drone cause collateral damage. But with a drone, you have a video feed and a trigger to pull. With a roadside bomb, there is only a trigger. A trigger cant tell the difference between a NATO convoy or a family of Afghans.

United Santorum of America is irreformable. These US Nazis have become the most disgusting and coward people on Earth. Hero's in the Jewish controlled brainwash manufactory Hollywood only.

"The use of drones outside a declared war zone.."

by any nation should be seen as an act of war, full stop.

and while war as such is bad enough, killing an 'enemy' remotely, from the comfort of an air-conditioned control center, is both cowardly and perverse.

the US of A in particular has a track record of such cowardice; the mechanisation of killing from WWII onwards has done nothing but demeaned the professionalism of the soldier, as well as the death of his (or her) opponent.