Will western powers acknowledge there role in the sponsorship and creation of Communism in Russia, the numerous western press, pundits and activists and well as foreign fighting units, the overwhelming Jewish support, leadership and foreign intervention that saved the Communists system from collapse. Will they acknowledge the chief mass murderers from Ukrainian famine, Katyn and Hungry were Jewish some even immigrating to Tel Aviv and the US. And what about these western banking firms and industry that created, financed and made huge profits from the Soviet system they controlled including shipping the Tsars vast gold deposits to there financial backers in New York, London, Germany, etc and was used as collateral for the creation of the Federal Reserve.

Jonx - absolutely right, communism was like the wind, it blew across from the direction of Russia, but its source was in the west. Blaming Russia for communism, is as silly as blaming it from the weather! The truth is that the OSCE is being highjacked by the usual candidates with a huge guilt trip for supporting the Nazis, take Lithuania for example.

johnx --- brilliant questions, that you ask.

So let’s get back to reality. (1) No one denies that some Western business tycoons offered some support to the fledgling Soviet State, just as some supported the establishment of the Nazi regime. This is hardly a breathless secret, and it’s hard to know why some get so excited about it. (2) Miscellaneous financial contributions to the early Soviet State might have been wise or stupid, altruistic or cynical, but not criminal. It is the towering crimes the Soviet State committed after its establishment, whose perpetrators happened to be predominantly Russian, that are the issue. (3) Soviet Communism murdered more people, established more slave labour concentrations camps and oppressed its own population and neighbouring countries for longer than the Nazi regime did. It is entirely appropriate that anyone who wishes to be taken seriously condemns each criminal regime equally. (4) On this forum I have been pointing out the equivalence between Soviet and Nazi terror for years. If it was just my view, it wouldn’t be very important. But this is also the view of nations that suffered under Nazism and Soviet Communism, and is the standard and accepted view of the wider world. As long as Moscow resists this reality, it brings only disrepute on itself, and hugely handicaps its relations with the world. It seems to me that this is not actually the result which Russian policymakers are wanting. Dodging the issue will not actually help.

Well ask for a view on Russia from NATO and guess the response! Ask for one from the OSCE and guess the response. Slovakia that Axis party, Lithuania that Nazi efficient holocuast force. Not really a vison of reality, more a vision of the normal EUSSR political class, so does it move us forward, no, does it achieve anything. I think for the core Nazis of europe a big success! They can celebrate their re-emergence!

Equation is not enough.. At least 6 times more people died from communist regime, than from Nazism. Soviet rule should be regarded as WORSE than Nazism.

I don't support stalin .. but i think that OSCE should back off and go mind your own bussiness .. you've got a lot more skeletons in your backyard .. ... stinking lowlives ... a lot more peole have died from NATO rule than from the Sovjets .. Nato should be even worse than Sovjets and NAzi's combined... well there it is NATO the new nazi.

July 03, 2009, 11:16, Jon wrote > Equation is not enough.. At least 6 times more people died from communist regime, than from Nazism. Soviet rule should be regarded as WORSE than Nazism. Loss of life in WWII is estimated to be 73,169,900. Stalin technically could not kill 438,000,000. Get real, man.

Love the extreme maths - the Nazis with their buddies wiped out over 70 million people. 6 x 70 is 420 miilon, great fiction! Now some more interesting maths, The EU and NATO loves their 'democracy' they like it so much, that when they vote they like to act as one political block, but have mutiple votes - democracy a la West. Take the OSCE, look at the membership, now look at the ones who are mebers of the EU political block, then look at the ones who are members of the NATO political block. Some overlap obviously. Well, low and behold the EU block votes and Nato block votes, distort things a little - simple maths, always good maths! wouldn't you like 27 votes in an election! We see that the OSCE is biased, it is a simple fact, but it goes further, look at all of the western institutions, like the nationality of judges in the Hague..... You quickly see the democracy a la west - political blocks with multiple votes. When we see one vote per political block in institutions, then any result will have some validity, until then dream on in your fantacy world!

I am hoping and praying that the People of Russia, the genuine Russian People, will demand the Truth of exactly what happened during the Bolshevick Revolution and who exactly was responsible for the millions not only starved to Death but millions shot. Germany needs to do the same and establish the TRUTH about those camps. Not to mention which banks in New York financed the Communist and the Nazis - it seems that WW2 was arranged by teh Bank of England, owned totally by Rothschild, which caused, deliberately, the Great Depression (just as they are doing now with this depression which the great economists say will be much worse) and all the misery and death and destruction of the Twentieth Century, all the hundreds of millions of deaths. all the destruction. The People of America will have to face the Truth about the last century of rapacious cruelty of their own country, find out exactly who has been responsible - and IS responsible. All of us have to do this if we are to survive as civilized human beings. Those who are or have been responsible must be arrested, tried and punished - with all due process of the Law. If we do not face u we are finished. There is NO FUTURE for the children of today unless we have moral courage and honesty about what has happened to OUR World. Read "Two Hundred Years Together." by Solzenitsyn - asap. And remember, Trotsky and his cronies lived and plotted the Bolshevick Revolultion from the Lower East Side of New York! There is a very good radio network called www.republicbroadcasting.org Try it for good up to the minute information, and very good news about the e economic situation.

Yes, OSCE finally did it! They are very proud of themselves, having Russia get angry. They put some seeds on the promising soil, soon they will harvest. Anglosaxons are ready to start a new crusade to Russia and EU thoughtlessly assist them. Well, come to us again. Neither Napoleon, nor Nazis broke us apart, instead Europe and Russia both were destroyed for decades. Before blaming Russia just think - qui prodest? Who wins the war in Europe? USA! They intentionally blow in this fire hoping to initiate a new Iron curtain era...

Had Stalin and Hitler not signed the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact, WWII, and the suffering that brought to the rest of Europe would never have happened.

This is just a lie. I detest liers. I detest the OSCE. They apparently want to put a knife down my brain, into my throat, and shut me up, make me kow tow to their lies, make me go along with their stupid, idiotic, insane lies. Stalinism? How about Jim Crow, which only ended in 1965 LEGALLY, long after Stalin was dead. How about South African Apartied, whcih only ended in the 1980s! Who the HELL is the OSCE or Europe to decide for Russians what happened under Stalin? Who the hell do they think they are, ROME? I was pulled off a black water fountain at the bank at age 3 in Dallas, Texas; I was on a bus when the driver told a woman to get to the back of the bus! They didn't need a Star of David for African Americans, they had their skin to deamonize and humiliate them with. Can we blame Roosevelt for that? Can we blame Eisenhower? This sick, deamonization, witch hunting machine has GOT TO STOP. Stalinism? Anyone who goes for this is a lier and a fascist. If you go for this, you are a right wing fascist, and sick in the head.

It is funny, in a sad sort of way, to observe the efforts of the defenders of Stalinism. They bang on about a crusade against Russia, about Napoleon, about the US, about the Bank of England, about the Nazis, about stinking OSCE lowlifes, about Slovakia and Lithuania, etc. etc. etc. Strangely enough, one thing they will not discuss in a forum about the crimes of Soviet Communism is the Crimes of Soviet Communism. I would love for any one of them, or for all of them together to explain to us why the millions that Soviet Communism killed are less dead than the millions that Nazism killed. About why slavery in the monstrous network of GULAG concentration is less of a crime against humanity than slavery in a Nazi concentration camp. Or about how the Soviet half of the attack on Poland which kicked off WW2 was not foreign aggression, but the Nazi half of the joint attack was. Or for that matter, how Hitler’s preceding grab of Czech and Austrian territory was aggression, but Stalin’s preceding invasion of Finland was not. Or how totalitarian Nazi occupation of Europe was, in fact, an illegal occupation, but the Soviet occupation of those same countries was not. Or how the Nazis' brutal assault against innocent people on racial grounds is even one bit better or worse than Soviet Communism’s savagery against innocent people on class grounds. Or how the KGB, which was the terror organism that propped up Soviet power at home and abroad, was any different from the Gestapo, which was the terror organism that propped up Nazi power at home and abroad. So much to learn. But no, probably we’ll only hear more about Napoleon and the Roschilds.

Dimitry, before you make the amazing allegation that the West wants to “initiate a new Iron Curtain” in Europe, don’t you think you might suggest that Russia which is the main successor state of the Soviet Union should apologise for its part in the establishment of the original Iron Curtain, and of all the oppression and suffering this brought to half the Continent? Or should we just sneak past that on tippy-toes? Alex suggests that the “OSCE should back off and …mind (its) own business.” But Alex, the OSCE comprises member states who suffered grievously under both Nazi and Soviet totalitarianism. Much to their regret, the crimes of both of those totalitarian monstrosities are their business. It is also very much their business to try to ensure that foreign totalitarian savagery does not descend on them again. That is why it is their business to clearly state to the entire world that Soviet murders, enslavements and terror are absolutely as unacceptable as Nazi murders, enslavement and terror.

Here’s another illogicality of the defenders of Stalinism. Dmitry writes, “Yes, OSCE finally did it! They are very proud of themselves, having Russia get angry.” Since Russia and its apologists spend so much effort in making the point that Russia is not and was not the Soviet Union but rather was a victim of the Soviet Union, why should Russia get angry when the OSCE talks about crimes which Russia not only did not commit, but which Russia itself was the victim of? Have I missed something – or have they?

Pauline, your pain and anger at the discrimination that African-Americans suffered because of their race is justified, and is respected. But today, the President of the United States is an Afro-American. By complete contrast, the millions of Poles, Hungarians, Estonians, Czechs, Lithuanians, Slovakians, Latvians, Bulgarians and others whom the Soviet State enslaved and killed do not as much as have a monument in Russia. And Russia only growls at them when they, or the OSCE, suggests they should. That’s the difference.

Civilised people don't like rigged votes, and when it comes to the OSCE, with the vote rigging of NATO and the EUSSR, then people tend to get a little upset. 10 people meet in a cafe and agree to decide and have the same drink, nine want coffee, 1 wants tea; the one for tea, has 27 votes to manipulate, so its tea for everyone, western democracy, straight from the world of fantacy.

Pauline - you are a tribute to yourself and a true America, your comments are always filled with pronciples and a knowledge that things are wrong. There is a demonising going on, the game plan is simple, first equate something; so something people did on the AXIS side in the war wasn't so bad, then over time take it further, so that they can believe what the Nazis did was better (Jon) starts this line of absurd reasoning on this thread even now. Then follow this with the final rediculous equivalence that Russia is the Soviet Union, so you complete the targeting of Russia. When we think of a world war, every body thought that it would come from USA as a direct immediate beligerant, but no, true to form it is breeding again in Europe, based on exactly the same agenda, to re-run the war again. Our only saviour at the moment, is that Old europe is a far more stable place, but don't count on it to last, it can unravel just the same, in economic hardship. Russia needs to be on its guard, for the inevitable, unless as you say it stops. take care!