Under secrecy, Russia's first fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet has successfully completed a test flight. Its appearance has now been revealed by Sukhoi, the plane’s manufacturer, which released footage of the flight.
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Kenneth Gambill12.03.2012 03:24
Corporal Joshua H James wrote in #15
This craft is a beautiful hoax, and everyone has somehow been tricked by it and the Russian leadership.Yes, it has a wonderful resemblance to the American F-22 raptor, for good reason. The Russian "Bear" Bomber and Antonov AN-225 resemble closely the American B-52 and C-5, respectivly. It's just how Russian Research and development works. The Sukhoi is lovely, yet it has no new radar, no new weaponry, no new avionics and is basically a shell. It's a publicity stunt, people!
No. Its not a publicity stunt. While it does resemble the F-22A Raptor I am certainly postive it will react nothing like it's equal. As for the AN-225 Condor. It has a heavier lift Capacity than the C-17, C-5, and the C-141 combined coupled with a shorter take off and laning dtance with ability to land on unimproved, dirt air strips unlike the Globe Master, Stratolifter, or the Starlifter. The russsian were pragmatic in thier designs- as stated by other posts they had vectored thrust, Look down shoot down capability long before NATO or the US implemented them. truth betold even the antiquated MIG-29A had some novel design features which are still absent on any western Aircraft. Not to meantion the Angle of Attack on the MIG29/SU27/35/37 variant aircrafts which led America to develop the X-30 program which was instrumental in the development of the F-22. So, doubtly this NOT a publicity stunt.
@plasticpower Petr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev is a Soviet/Russian physicist and mathematician, considered the seminal force behind modern stealth aircraft technology. In the 1960s he began developing equations for predicting the reflection of electromagnetic waves from simple two-dimensional shapes.
Much of Ufimtsev's work was translated into English, and in the 1970s American Lockheed engineers began to expand upon some of his theories to create the concept of aircraft with reduced radar signatures.Northrop made extensive use of Ufimtsev's work in developing the B-2 bomber.
@Dominik MJ, while stealth aircraft was originally an American achievement, thrust vectoring engines were invented in Russia. You should check your facts sheet. The only advantage we have over Russia is the sheer number of 5th generation jets that we can afford to put in service. That is, assuming our economy doesn't collapse.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (and other feelgoods). Truth is, the US continues to R&D something, then someone else copies it, reads the S___-Sheet and improves those few items, then markets it as the best thing since buttered bread. You see this in everything from outboard motors to bobbleheads. This is a very nice plane for a bargain price - as it should be given the R&D was already spread over very few US aircraft thanks to a moron named Cheney, thus the "big" price tag per unit for the US version. In spite of that, include inflation of the cost of the F14-F15 since their introductions and, for what it does, the F22 doesn't look so expensive in comparison. As far as the hopefully-never shootout goes, I agree with the USNavy pilot who pretty much said pilot skill will be the deciding factor in combat. Copy THAT, world!
Nice plane - but there are some problems with a comparison:
First : the F-22 is deployed to the US Air Force already.
And since the Maiden Flight and the finished air craft it still takes few years [F35 had also a couple years ago their maiden flight... still needs to undergo several years testing].
Yes - the US planes are expensive... and there were some faults - why? Because they had to develop and discover most of the technologies. These technologies [e.g. stealth or trust vectoring] are now easier available, easier to use [as well as cheaper] and proofed as fit for combat.
The advantage of the Russians: it is cheaper as the US jets and it is available; the F-22 is only meant to be available for US troops. The state department assessed it to advanced, to be shared with any other country [even the strategic partners of the US like Japan]: small numbers [including cancelled orders of the US Air Force] = very high price.
The F-35 suffered of several problems - first is, that there should be versions of a VTOL or STOL variant [Marines / Navy].
Second it suffered of cancellations of the partners, which results in a much higher price tag as originally planned.
It will be electronically even more advanced as the F-22 [and hell more advanced as the T-50] - I guess it will be deployed very close to the finalization of the T-50.
For the Russian fanboy cranks: The US developed stealth already with the A-12 / SR-71 and really went into it with the F-117. C'mon - the F-117 is already out of service, and the Russians just introduced their first real stealth aircraft [which by the way uses a lot of traces of American planes - especially the Raptor].
When it came before to these discussions, Russian fanboys always mentioned plasma-stealth - a fairytale technology, "created" by the Russians, to have any arguments against US stealth technology.
Well at least plasma stealth is over- as now also the Russians are entering the reality of stealth...
yeah, uh "Comparing a Maserati to a Honda"...Let me tell you something...#1 you'd be VERY surprised when you saw what would happen if you stacked any Maserati up against an JDM Honda NSX Type-R. which brings me to my second point, the most incredible car I've ever ridden in, is my fathers "Weekend/Nice Day Car"...it's an Orange 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner (not a GTX, which, after the Roadrunner came out in 1968, being based on the Dodge Charger, the GTX, although there was a 1967 Plymouth GTX, there was NO ROADRUNNER until 1968...& after 1968, the GTX became the Upper Trim Package of the Plymouth Roadrunner. So where there was the Dodge Charger base & the Dodge Charger R/T; there was the Plymouth Roadrunner as Base performance Plymouth Satellite & the Higher Trim of the Roadrunner became the GTX so they really became the Plymouth Roadrunner GTX, & then other trims being the Dodge Charger Daytona which appeared in 1969, & then came the 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Super Bird...) BUT, I'm getting WAY OFF TOPIC NOW...so Returning to my point...my dad's 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner is "Hemi Orange" with a Flat Black Hood that's got a cool Scoop sticking up from the center & then under the hood, it's got a 426 Hemi V8, with a Crane Cams Racing Cam, a Holley Dual Quads Tunnel Ram Intake Manifold, Two (2) Holley 850CFM Double Pumper Carburetors, to a 4.11 Posi Rear-End, Cragar S/S Wheels with 15"x10" Mickey Thompson Radial DOT Approved for Street tires, & let me tell you something as of right now, that car is over 42 years-old...with all technology that was readily available back in 1968...that car did a Wheel-Stand with my father driving it, my mom & myself ALL SITTING IN THE FRONT BENCH SEAT...That's Something I never heard of a Maserati, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, McLeran, doing.
WHICH BRINGS ME FINALLY....TO MY 3RD & FINAL POINT....I'm looking at that "new" russian made fighter jet & I'm thinking to myself "wow, I see an awful lot of similarities to the "SR-71 Blackbird"
What's with all the pointlessly militant US-development defense below? Hahaha.
Anyways, it looks pretty cool though I was taken back a bit by how similar it does look to the Raptor, though obviously somehow made more cost effective as the Raptor apparently would have been a lot more expensive. And just because it's cheaper to make doesn't necessarilly mean it's a worse product. Balancing cost of production with reliability is I imagine becoming a much more important goal than even before for high-money industries like aviation in the current economic climate. The time of developing super high-cost planes is kind of over for the time being.
This craft is a beautiful hoax, and everyone has somehow been tricked by it and the Russian leadership.Yes, it has a wonderful resemblance to the American F-22 raptor, for good reason. The Russian "Bear" Bomber and Antonov AN-225 resemble closely the American B-52 and C-5, respectivly. It's just how Russian Research and development works. The Sukhoi is lovely, yet it has no new radar, no new weaponry, no new avionics and is basically a shell. It's a publicity stunt, people!
Yeah, this is an interesting plane. However, in USA, both governmental and private sectors build planes for both civil and military. We tend to advance aeronautical technology in many areas; not just on a single new plane design. In the private sectors, many company's such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northdrop Gruman focus on key parts of a plane's design. Propulsion, landing, stealth, armmuniton, etc; these are constantly improved every year.When the government wants to build a better plane, these company's compete for a contract. Therefore, they have to improve every aspect and features of the next generation of fighter planes. The newer planes may cost more, but on the other hand, US defense company's constantly create newer aeronautical technology every year in contracts, programs, experiments, projects, etc. A excellent product may be good for business, but it the company's workforce and advancement in technology that keeps business going.
May 31, 2010, 00:30, anil wrote
> My friends, India is equally responsible for the making of this fifth generation Plane. Go through some more detailed reports. In this report they have not mention about the role India is playing.
Anil, India just invested few billions $$ in this 5th generation project and at later stage Brazil also participated in contribution. entire engineering is done by Russians only. china also shown an interest to offered but Russian had refused it. Russians are far ahead in weapon and space technology than any countries. only the finance is heir problem as development of this 5th gen fighter plane took huge investment and as india had old association with Russia it is glad Russia collaborated with india during the project. But this fighter plan will not come to india so easily it will take much time. but onec it introduce to india ...there will be many hue and cry in neighborhood :)
Always nice to see new Jet fighters for the pure love of flying..
As long as we don't end up having to fight each other, we can enjoy the supersonic love. :)
-USA
My friends, India is equally responsible for the making of this fifth generation Plane. Go through some more detailed reports. In this report they have not mention about the role India is playing.
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Kenneth Gambill 12.03.2012 03:24
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Stealth 09.02.2011 07:36
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plasticpower 25.01.2011 10:18
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Marc 28.12.2010 22:01
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beefy 27.10.2010 00:41
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Dominik MJ 10.10.2010 19:04
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IMaDEM0N 08.10.2010 01:52
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Max 07.10.2010 20:05
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Intelligience 22.09.2010 04:00
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Corporal Joshua H James 20.09.2010 01:02
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Joe Mama 18.09.2010 06:34
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Raj 26.06.2010 12:53
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Rob 23.06.2010 16:37
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anil 30.05.2010 20:30
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