Two militants allegedly behind blasts at hydropower plant killed - police

July 25, 2010 20:02

Police say the have killed two militants who allegedly staged the attack at the Baksan hydropower station in the Russian Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, in which two people were killed and two more injured.

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GaryMax 27.07.2010 12:18

July 26, 2010, 23:48, PR101 wrote > GaryMax > In this year’s list of the U.S State Department list containing wanted terrorists, one name was not included: Doko Omarov. Eventually he was included in this list after Russia made lot of noise. Doko Omarov has more Russian blood in his hands than Osama Bin Laden does of American blood and yet the U.S did not see the need to put this wanted terrorist in its list of wanted terrorists. But you just said they did after Russia made them aware of this person. >Second, the U.S has a close cooperation with Saudi Arabia but most of terrorists in the caucuses and elsewhere- those who fight in the name of perverse notion of Islam- receive direct or indirect support from Saudi Arabia. Let us try to distinguish between Saudi Arabia as a government and Saudi Arabian citizens. Are you saying this support is from the Saudi Arabian government or Saudi Arabian citizens? Don't you think this makes a difference in your argument? >The West has geopolitical objectives in seeing a weakened Russia and this is the reason why the U.S and western media do not see a direct link the west’s fight against terrorism and Russia’s fight against terrorism. Sorry, I don't think this assertion follows . It seems more of a suspicion to me.

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PR101 26.07.2010 19:48

GaryMax In this year’s list of the U.S State Department list containing wanted terrorists, one name was not included: Doko Omarov. Eventually he was included in this list after Russia made lot of noise. Doko Omarov has more Russian blood in his hands than Osama Bin Laden does of American blood and yet the U.S did not see the need to put this wanted terrorist in its list of wanted terrorists. Second, the U.S has a close cooperation with Saudi Arabia but most of terrorists in the caucuses and elsewhere- those who fight in the name of perverse notion of Islam- receive direct or indirect support from Saudi Arabia. The West has geopolitical objectives in seeing a weakened Russia and this is the reason why the U.S and western media do not see a direct link the west’s fight against terrorism and Russia’s fight against terrorism.

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GaryMax 26.07.2010 11:17

July 26, 2010, 04:10, PR101 wrote > GaryMax > However, I did say that the “west’ is not transparent in cooperating with Russia when it comes to devising effective strategies in fighting global terrorism. What do you mean by "not transparent in cooperating with Russia..... "?

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GaryMax 26.07.2010 02:13

@PR101 No, I don't think I am confused by the difference. Of course fault is a noun and faulty is an adjective. And, I agree, you did not use either fault or faulty. I used the word fault. And I don't agree that "fault" always assumes intentionality. If a check bounces because I forgot to deposit money into the bank, it is my fault. But it wasn't intentional. Now, I inferred from your post that you were saying that the issues I have previously listed were partly due to defects or imperfections in the policies or actions of the West or US. Have a good day.

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PR101 26.07.2010 00:10

GaryMax I think you are getting confused between the term “fault”- that is- something being somebody’s error, mistake, wrong doing, negligence, etc and ‘faulty’ something is inherently defective, not well made, etc. Now, key difference between something is ‘faulty’ and something is somebody’s fault is that the latter assumes intentionality in ways the former does not suppose. I did not say that the ‘west’ is faulty nor did I say that it is the ‘west’s’ fault that Russia is facing terrorism. However, I did say that the “west’ is not transparent in cooperating with Russia when it comes to devising effective strategies in fighting global terrorism.

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GaryMax 24.07.2010 01:06

July 22, 2010, 19:50, PR101 wrote > GaryMax ...continued > What are the living conditions of ordinary people in Afghanistan after ten years of U.S occupation and bombing? Not as good as they should be, but better than during Taliban rule. Let's agree that this is an "imperfection" in US policy, but how does this imperfection help Russia and terrorism? >Or the lives or Somalis since 1979 when the U.S took over Somalia from the Soviets? I know most Americans do not know that 1991 fall of central authority in Somalia had been brought in part by U.S Cold War militarism. Most Americans think the U.S went to Somalia to bring “humanitarian aide” in 1993! For the sake of discussion, let's agree that you are correct. How does a failure of US policy help Russia?? > What about Iraq? Did the U.S brought progress, development and peace to Iraq? Iraq will be fine, and yes it has a more progressive government and will continue to improve. When I read your posts it reminds me of a "misery needs company" mindset. Like, "yes this is bad in Russia, but look at 'something not related' in the US. Why the need to compare?

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GaryMax 24.07.2010 00:52

July 22, 2010, 19:50, PR101 wrote > GaryMax > The mainstream Western media will not allow the context of brutal and aggressive U.S militarism and the rise of terrorist groups in Iraq, Somalia and Palestine but the same Western media almost always “context” matters when it comes to Russia’s battle against terrorists and extremists in the Northern Caucuses? Context matters when it comes to Russia because the Russia’s Caucasus region is Russian territory. Now, if the US has terrorist coming out of Kansas and bombing Washington, then we have a comparison to discuss. >We cannot overlook the geopolitics of the Caucuses and the Russians know it as well. The only thing that is shocking is how badly prepared the Russians are to defend critical infrastructure. All that is humanly possible must be used to protect these facilities. We agree. >As for unemployment in the Caucuses, what is the rate of the unemployment in the land of the Home of the Brave and Free [a.k.a. the empire of the chaos]? Do you think that economic crisis in the U.S has nothing to do with the impeding “race wars” in the U.S? In the US it is 9.5%, which is about twice the normal. I am not afraid to say what it is. But, you can't seem to say what it is in Russia’s Caucasus region. There are no impending race wars in the US. Where you got this idea is a mystery to me. ....to be continued, due to 2000 character limit.

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GaryMax 23.07.2010 11:59

July 23, 2010, 04:28, PR101 wrote > GaryMax > what is the difference between something being 'caused' by somebody and something being the 'fault' of somebody's action? Within this context: cause= a reason for a condition fault= a defect or imperfection I will add that I agree that it would be helpful to Russia's drug problem if NATO would wipe out the Afghan poppy fields. It would also be helpful if Russia would step up its control of illegal drugs entering the country. There are many defects and imperfections to share. Now, RT creates a story and a forum about the hydropower Blasts plant in Russia’s Caucasus region and your first list of "defect or imperfection" was the West is not a true and honest anti-terror partner with Russia; then you add some ambiguous stance about lack of transparency, then about the German Chancellor talking about Russian human rights as an obligatory requirement to the US . You certainly have the right to your opinions, but it is my opinion that the defects you claim are not significant to Russia's terror problem and that looking outside of Russia is not effective. Much of the world views Russia's terror problem as "home grown" or indigenous, although they may get financial support from outside the country, but it is internal, just as the US has some, although comparatively small, internal terror problems.

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PR101 23.07.2010 00:28

GaryMax what is the difference between something being 'caused' by somebody and something being the 'fault' of somebody's action?

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GaryMax 22.07.2010 18:21

July 22, 2010, 18:20, PR101 wrote > GaryMax > No, I did not say that the problems Russia is facing with terrorism and illegal trafficking are "caused" by the West. > Just a look at the meaning of "cause". Just read my post carefully and if you do, you would realise all my points are correct and the Russians know these points are correct. Who used the word "cause"? Not me! I used the word "fault", and that word is much richer with broad meaning.You might want to look up the word "fault".

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PR101 22.07.2010 16:09

GaryMax please take a look at this link. Today, the U.S media talks terrorism in Somalia withouth context. Now, this article gives one very clear "context" link between the rise of "Al Shabab", piracy, chaos in Somalia to the U.S aggressive militarism. http: //mrzine.monthlyrevi ew.org/2007/gopal160 107.html

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PR101 22.07.2010 15:50

GaryMax The mainstream Western media will not allow the context of brutal and aggressive U.S militarism and the rise of terrorist groups in Iraq, Somalia and Palestine but the same Western media almost always “context” matters when it comes to Russia’s battle against terrorists and extremists in the Northern Caucuses? We cannot overlook the geopolitics of the Caucuses and the Russians know it as well. The only thing that is shocking is how badly prepared the Russians are to defend critical infrastructure. All that is humanly possible must be used to protect these facilities. As for unemployment in the Caucuses, what is the rate of the unemployment in the land of the Home of the Brave and Free [a.k.a. the empire of the chaos]? Do you think that economic crisis in the U.S has nothing to do with the impeding “race wars” in the U.S? Yes, Russia needs to bring development to the North Caucuses but how is the U.S is doing in Iraq? What are the living conditions of ordinary people in Afghanistan after ten years of U.S occupation and bombing? Or the lives or Somalis since 1979 when the U.S took over Somalia from the Soviets? I know most Americans do not know that 1991 fall of central authority in Somalia had been brought in part by U.S Cold War militarism. Most Americans think the U.S went to Somalia to bring “humanitarian aide” in 1993! What about Iraq? Did the U.S brought progress, development and peace to Iraq?

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PR101 22.07.2010 14:20

GaryMax No, I did not say that the problems Russia is facing with terrorism and illegal trafficking are "caused" by the West. Just a look at the meaning of "cause". Just read my post carefully and if you do, you would realise all my points are correct and the Russians know these points are correct.

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johnx 22.07.2010 11:41

@GaryMax How is it not true? Western intelligence and there state sponsored terrorist states created, financed and support terrorism and there international networks in the North Caucasus as well as Central Asia. And the post Soviet economic collapse and societal disintegration was completely engineered to do precisely that as those that imposed it transferred their money from aligned western Oligarchs in Russia to essentially colonise the country exporting there billions of dollars worth of profit into offshore tax havens estimated at $1 trillion and putting the country into the administration of non-Russian organised crime which is erroneously dubbed the “Russian” mafia. Afghanistan is the responsibility of US/NATO which the CIA has a long history of dealing with the drug trade especially in connection to modern Islamic terrorism operating out of Florida with the case of 9/11. Those directing Afghan drug trafficking from Afghanistan to Russia reside in the US. http://en.rian.r u/russia/20100610/15 9377545.html As we know from Georgia’s 2009 jihad conference the Georgia puppet regime is facilitating and coordinating terrorist attacks in Russia’s South. http://www.julia gorin.com/wordpress/ ?p=2323 They are training, financing and supporting terrorism in Russia (and not only Russia) so yes it is their fault.

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GaryMax 21.07.2010 22:34

July 21, 2010, 21:33, PR101 wrote > These points I have said them before in this forum but I will repeat them again because they are critically important. They are not important because they are for the most part not true. Let's see what you have said, effectively: 1. Russia is having trouble with terrorism and it is mostly the fault of the US or "West". 2. Russia is having trouble with drugs entering the country from Afghanistan and it is the fault of the US or "West". 3. The German Chancellor visits Russia and lectures on Human rights. Her actions are the fault of the US. 4. You feel Russia's anti-terror security forces are not up to the job at hand. This may or may not be true. I hope most Russian citizens feel that Russia must and can solve their internal problems and that blaming others, or providing excuses for why certain problems exist, will solve nothing for Russia. Yes, there are or may be international supporters of terrorist from the North Caucuses, but it is Russian territory, and by the way, what is the percent unemployment in this region?

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johnx 21.07.2010 21:25

@PR101 Isn't that a joke Germany and western countries since the collapse of the USSR have committed a police of Genocide against Russia (again) not least the creation and support of Islamic terrorism. If Russia can't even disclose the basic information regarding these issues and bring legal proceeding on behalf of Russian citizens against the EU, US and its Middle East vassal states then it is doomed to the same fate as the Serbs. And that is criminal by this Russian regime. @richard They should give back the Plutonium they stole and this take secure it in proper packaging so they don't poison themselves. British- Russian trade overview British export: Terrorism, weapons, organised crime, heroin, spies, free abortion and other anti-Russian programs, etc. Import: Sex slaves, terrorists, criminal Oligarchs, illegally billions of dollars worth of Russian money, nuclear material, etc.

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PR101 21.07.2010 17:33

These points I have said them before in this forum but I will repeat them again because they are critically important. First, the “West” under its current U.S imperial tutelage is not a true and honest partner of Russia when it comes to terrorism against Russia. The West’s dealing with Russia when it comes to effective anti-terror global strategy lacks transparency. The same is true of the “West’s” dubious stance to Afghan illegal drug flow to Russia. Only in last week the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, came to Russia to talk “business” but also she came to talk about “Human Rights.” Of course, Ms. Merkel had to do this obligatory lecturing to Russia as part of her talking points that works within the U.S geopolitical consensus toward Russia. The current German Chancellor felt compelled to lecture to her Russian counterpart about human rights even as Germany covertly continue to participate in the U.S extraordinary renditions, illegal wars and host of other well documented blatant violations of International Laws and human rights. Also, why after the recent number of spectacular attacks against key Russian social and economic infrastructures and institutions [Moscow Metro, high speed Train], that these terrorists were able to enter this power station? Why the security of the station was kept to such horrible status? Russians do need to realize that there are international actors who have vested interests in the continue instability of the North Caucuses. I have distinct feeling security in Russia is not as coordinated and alert as necessary. This must change before something profound happens.

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richard 21.07.2010 10:49

Polonium trace may be tracked down to the financial centre of London. Hello Russia, this is London calling.

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