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First Georgian president’s widow seeks political asylum in Germany

Published: 28 December, 2009, 18:51
Edited: 17 February, 2010, 22:49


RIA Novosti / Alexandr Imedashvili, STR

Manana Archvadze-Gamsakhurdia, widow of the first Georgian president, says she cannot take the pressure any longer in her native country and has formally appealed to German Chancellor Angela Merkel for political asylum.

 
17 COMMENTS
Sarah December 28, 2009, 17:05 quote
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Since Germany is not truly free country- this appeal might be rejected as it will look but for Pro. U.S Georgian leadership.

Meslin December 28, 2009, 17:46 quote
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All Saakashvili's friends in the West (mostly americans) must be very proud of themself to have fabricated such a "clown". How long time more will that insanity keep on going. Where are the United-Nations and the TPI ! Sorry Future Giorgian Generations ! Sincerely. JeanClaude Meslin

Nuta December 28, 2009, 23:35 quote
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I think it is so comical how many pro-USSR individuals can not deal with the fact that most of the former Soviet Republics don’t want NOTHING to do with or be reminded of the Soviet occupation in their countries. They can not understand how repulse the people of these former Soviet republics are with any sign that reminds them of Soviet occupation. But what is really the most comical to see is how some people who are not even Russian or lived during the Soviet occupation can talk as if they did.

Bogdanov December 29, 2009, 02:59 quote
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I think, another thing which is also comical -- to see how some anti-Russian people who not even Russians or lived in the Soviet Union can talk about the "occupation" like they really know about it.

Larisa December 29, 2009, 03:37 quote
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It seems to me from everything that has been happening lately and also from my old recollection of trips to Georgia back in 1984-88 that Georgians are very confused people, and I feel really sorry for them. In the nineteen eighties it was impossible for a light haired woman to walk alone in Tbilisi. Even in the middle of the day on their central street full of people, like Shota Rustaveli Avenue, such woman was in danger of being grabbed rudely by some local man in plain view of everyone. My friend, a blond, had to walk literally hiding behind her husband, and even then they managed to grab her. My two other friends, when they were in Tbilisi on business told me that they had to walk in zigzags, in order to dodge Georgians who were trying to grab them and one of those men actually came to them and said: "Girls, don't offend the Georgians." So, the fact that my friends didn't want to be grabbed on the street offended the Georgians!!!!! This sounds like a twilight zone, it's so fantastic and crazy, but I heard many stories like that. And I hear nothing has changed. As to the comment made by Nuta below, when was Georgia ever occupied by USSR? Georgia was a part of the Russian Empire well before the USSR existed. And the reason that happened was because their own ruler - Georgia being an orthodox country, like Russia - asked for the Rusisan protection against Iranian and Osmanic occupations, which in the 18th and 19th century had meant muslim oppression. Georgians, actually were always treated very well in Russia, in retrospect, may be too well, as they always seemed to take advantage of that. Remember Stalin and Beria? I feel really sorry for confused people like Saakashvili or Nuta, and hope that Georgians will grow up one day.

peter December 29, 2009, 03:48 quote
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Nuta The whole World has seen Georgian aggression against its own people in August 2008 when the president Shakashvili ordered an onslaught of South Ossetia while talking peace where thousands innocent people were killed randomly as Georgian army briefly occupied the territory. American media showed images of ruined buildings and killed people claiming the responsibility on Russia when in fact was Georgia and this was the second time in as many years that Georgia did it to its citizens when Russia had to take measures to prevent Nazi style extermination. You claim that people of the former Soviet republics are repulsive to any sign of the alleged Soviet occupation where in fact it was Soviets who saved them from Nazi concentration camps and when they got independence (Georgia) they turned Nazi themselves by killing their own people. Is this what you are starving for Nuta?

peter December 29, 2009, 06:34 quote
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Larisa, thanks for adding another piece to the puzzle from your first hand experience of Georgia with the safety of women walking alone in Tbilisi on Shota Rustaveli Avenue. Anyone would be talking like Nuta if they are trapped within their own believe dating back in Ottoman Empire when Russia had to embrace them for protection on their own request for which in return not only they don’t appreciate it but they claim to be under Russian Occupation. What a cynical claim. It requires bit of healing but they will get over it.

Bogdanov December 29, 2009, 16:36 quote
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Larisa, couple of things... a) Georgia was not only part of Russia, but, actually, it is Russians who helped Georgia to be created as a nation with its own identity. b) Nuta may be confused (at least, I hope so). But, Saakashvili is not confused. He is just a maniac. And he cannot be healed. c) I also can confirm many occasions of Georgian men brutality toward Russian women in the late Soviet and early post-Soviet period. Even in Moscow. In my colledge years I, personally, had to fight some Georgians to defend Russian girls whom they were trying to harass.

Nuta December 29, 2009, 17:01 quote
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Bogdanov Unlike you, there are MANY Russians (unbeknown to you) who do not have SELECTIVE hearing and SELECTIVE vision. You only hear what you want to hear… And you only see what you want to see… Speaking the truth does not make me anti-Russian or anything else your little brain is thinking of. Larisa You can analyze, dissect or try to explain your reasons any way you want. The fact still remains that Georgians are not Russian and more importantly (like all former Soviet republics) Georgia NOW is not part of Russia. This is their country just like Ukraine belongs to Ukrainians…etc. and can do as they want.

Bogdanov December 29, 2009, 17:55 quote
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Nuta, let me guess -- those MANY unbeknown to me "Russians" with big brains, BROAD views, who are willing to hear and see everything, but not the way they want it to hear and see, are living outside of Russia and barely speak Russian or don't know it at all. And, probably, don't even know where Russia is located. And they, "unbeknown Russians", get the "right" information about Russia directly from the "source". But, if we start digging the graves and bring stinky dust in the air, then you may be surprised to find out that this is not Russia was "occupying" Georgia, but, quite in opposite -- current Georgia is occupying Russian lands. How about that, Big Brain?

peter December 29, 2009, 22:17 quote
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Nuta You are saying ever since Georgia got its independence THEY CAN DO AS THEY WANT? We are all shocked to read that kind of comment and when Larisa classified you as confused person she may have been right. Every country in the World has an obligation towards UN Charted and to abide to its convention and if it doesn’t the fate of Afghanistan and Iraq awaits it. Remember what Tony Blair said: the World is better off without Sadam Hussein for gassing its own Kurdish citizens even though no weapons of mass destruction were found. When Georgia killed Russian citizens in the August 2008 War under Shakashvili order they didn’t have the right to do that just because they are independent AND THEY CAN DO AS THEY WANT. If someone rapes you Nuta, would you like to see that person punished according to the law or he CAN DO AS THEY WANT because he lives in an independent country like Georgia. According to Larisa, women are harassed randomly in Georgia and according to Bogdanov Georgians harassed Russian girls even in Russia and according to you that is OK because with independence THEY CAN DO AS THEY WANT. I wish Tony Blair or Ban Ki-Moon (반기문 (潘基文) ) read you comment.

Nuta December 30, 2009, 00:55 quote
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Bogdanov Ok…I will be more specific because it is obvious you can not comprehend what I am saying. NOBODY, said anything about living abroad, you just thought of that all by yourself because you don’t think it’s possible otherwise. Do you really believe all Russians (LIVING IN RUSSIA) think like you? I don’t know what Russians living abroad think about what is happening with their mother land or world events, but I do know they are not these ignorant people that YOU said they are. Think again and again and again… You really have no idea… Oh Peter…Peter ….Peter… Please, don’t put words in my mouth. I NEVER said that Georgians (or anyone else) are well in their right to rape, pillage or do any other evil deed you can think about within their country. You know exactly what I said so don’t twist things around and stop putting your own evil spin on things that others say just because you do not understand or simply don’t agree.

teodor December 30, 2009, 01:32 quote
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Nuta You say “speaking the truth does not make me anti-Russian or anything else”, but everything you said so has been proven to be incorrect by Larisa, Peter and Bogdanov. I wonder where did you get your education? Considering your syntactic only American education system arranges words in a sentence like that which is quite obvious where you got your education. Noam Chomsky is still popular in some quarters in US even though his theory is outdated and deceptive-- just like your comments.

вася December 30, 2009, 02:09 quote
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just get the Fxxk no one country would welcome her arrive

Bogdanov December 30, 2009, 03:46 quote
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Nuta, you are confusing me more and more... Who are you? What is the message you are trying to conduct and to whom? I got impression, that you hiding yourself in the "fog" somewhere. So far, most of the contents of your posts is dedicated primarily for personal attacks -- like the people who comment on this article look very comical or just ignorant morons (me) who cannot think. Instead of spending time to clarify your views. Obviously, your "superb brain" and "chain of thoughts" way beyond of my comprehension. You are right -- I have no idea what you are talking about. Because, your incoherent generic speculations about Russia (about which I, seem, have no idea) and mystical all-knowing Russians with telescopic vision living in Russia who think that Soviet Union was an occupier and oppressor of all nations living in the USSR (I am curious, if Russians are included in this list as well?), really do not even match neither my personal experience, no any information provided by RT, by Russian government, politicians they interview, practically any Russian or rationally thinking foreign commentators on this site. And of course, it doesn't match the views hundreds of Russians I personally know. Not even one of them. So, it seems, you are part of some anti-Russian terrorist organization or something. Aren't you? As I said in my first post, you seem a person, who has no idea about Soviet Union. Because, what you are saying is complete nonsense. And this is not just my guess. I know that for sure, because I lived part of my live through this myself and know what the Soviet Union was and wasn't. Specifically, I am taking about the Soviet Union of end of 70s and beginning of 80s. I would, also, include there 60s, information about which I got from my parents, relatives and many people lived in those years.

peter December 30, 2009, 04:09 quote
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Nuta I can’t read your mind, I only respond to your existing comment which is as it is and I tell you that when Georgia got its independence THEY CANNOT DO AS THEY WANT, for which I pointed out to a specific evil act by that country and you are not saying anything to condemn it or approve it. If you keep it silent I gather you approve what Georgians military did to its citizens in 2008 War. There are few more things which you keep silent about: 1. You said Georgia was occupied by Russia, when in fact it was Georgia who bagged Russia for protection against Ottoman Empire. 2. Larisa told us about how women are treated in Georgia when they walk alone in Tbilisi on Shota Rustaveli Avenue which is Middle Ages practice and you keep silent about it. 3. Bogdanov told us how Russian girls were treated in Russian soil and you keep silent about it. 4. Bogdanov told us that Georgia is who still occupies Russian land and not other way round and you keep silent about it. 5. Georgian onslaught against its own people in the 2008 War and you keep silent about it. Virtually that was everything you were complaining about and blaming it on Russia, and we only responded with facts to you comment for which you call us EVIL, LITTLE BRAIN and in your respond we only got an insults from you but no facts. GIVE US FACTS NUTA about abovementioned points and we will talk.

alex December 30, 2009, 08:57 quote
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@Nuta .. soviet occupation ? really ?? ... i agree that some eastern european countries have been occupied ... the others have joined willingly ... and ESPECIALLY GEORGIA ... so don't talk about the things you know nothing about ...

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