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Yushchenko brings Stalin to court over genocide

Published: 14 January, 2010, 18:40
Edited: 29 April, 2010, 00:40


Kiev’s Court of Appeals has found Josef Stalin and other Bolshevik leaders guilty of genocide against the Ukrainians during the famine, or “Holodomor” as it is called in Ukraine, of 1932-33.

 
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Artyom January 14, 2010, 18:01 quote
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Yushchenko is a clown. He has done nothing good for Ukraine. He has only polarized the nation making the gap between East and West Ukraine wider. Then add to the fact his negative politics and economic policies have devastated the country. Mr Democratic reform has done nothing, but placed a knife in the Ukrainian people's back. For what? Nationalism? No, a sell out to Western interests and criminal activity at the people's expense. Color revolutions bring despair.

johnx January 14, 2010, 19:09 quote
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Holodomor the so called “man-made” famine that was debunked at the time in the 30's as being part of Nazi and right wing anti-Communist William Randolph Hearst media outlets Robert Green, a phony journalist and escaped convict who provided famine material to the profascist Hearst chain in 1935. Green, a convicted forger who used the alias "Thomas Walker," reported that he took the photos in the spring of 1934 -- almost a year after the Ukraine famine had ended. Then again in the 1980’s with Robert Conquests book Harvest of Sorrows and the documentary film Harvest of Despair which is based on Conquests book who worked for the British Foreign Offices anti-Communist propaganda department IRD which used images from the 1920-21 Volga famine and interviews with Nazi collaborators. 1988 Village Voice article by Jeff Coplan “In search of a Soviet Holocaust 55 year old famine feeds the right” http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/vv.html Douglas Tottles book Fraud, Famine and Fascism The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard published in 1987 in Canada. http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

Meslin January 14, 2010, 19:11 quote
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How far can an insane politician go to obtain recognition and have the smallest possible chance to stay in power. The ukrainian people should, not only kick him out of office but also buy him a one way ticket to Washington D-C after requisitionning everything that he has stolen from his coutrymen. Why not bring Hitler to court for the 26 millions russian deads during the war, George Bush (father and son) for the irakian and afghan tragedies, then Clinton for the thousands yougoslav civilian deads. After we can investigate and go to court for all wars and tragedies occured until Julius Cesar's times. We should not be too nasty against a person who has been himself a victime of the sick peoples who poisonned him, but considering what has become his rich nation in a few years; the time has come for him to leave; preferably quietly...Sincerely...Jean-Claude Meslin

Bianca January 14, 2010, 23:00 quote
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Ukraine's Yushchenko is following the same policy well known in some East European countries. Croatia and Estonia come to mind. Their entire identity, history and national unity is based on blame of others. Even, as in the case of Croatia, the country itself is responsible for massive genocide (not hunger, but concentration camps) of Serbs, Jews and Roma in WWII. That never stopped Croatia from portraying itself as a victim. Just like in the latest Clinton bungle in the Balkans, Croatia managed to "avenge" their WWII alliance with Hitler, and murder of over 700,000 Serbs, Jews, Roma, by murdering and removing the bulk of Serbian population in a largest such attrocity since WWII. Yet, in spite of decimating and nearly annihiliting the Serbian population, it still cries victim. In fact, Croatia has gone much further, it accused Serbia of genocide, and the Court in Hague will hear this one out. Serbia has a golden chance, provided that the Eurofeable government does not run scared, to finally show Croatia for what it is. A nazi collaborator, trying ever since to find someone to blame for their war time attrocities. Bill Clinton gave them a perfect way out. Why not accuse Serbs of genocide, and exterminate what was left of them to boot --- and be rewarded by NATO membership. The worst problem that Europe has today are former Nazi collaborators. They just will not stop blaming, accusing, pointing out at every chance how they have been harmed. But never, ever, how they have harmed others. The problem for Ukraine is the same that crippled former Yugoslavia. By being part of the victorious country, Nazi collaborators got off the hook, and the Croatian populace never learned the truth. That gave momentum to their rewriting of history. Estonia and Ukraine, being part of the victorious Soviet Union, too quickly jumped over their Nazi past. In Ukraine, it is especially touchy, as the collaboration was focused in one region.

Matvei January 15, 2010, 04:59 quote
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It's a shame that Russians will actually believe this genocide to be just a coincidence. Nazi plans for taking the East relied on mass collectivization and the massive population drop that would occur as a result of it, as Crimea would be colonized with ethnic Germans. Where did he get the idea? Stalin and what he did to Ukrainians and those in the caucasus.

johnx January 15, 2010, 09:47 quote
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Actually the picture used in this article is from the 1921-22 Famine in Russia from La Famine in Russie page 10 is on page 41 of Tottles book.

johnx January 15, 2010, 16:21 quote
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@Matvei But it was not genocide and reprisals against the Caucasus region and others with is distorted and numbers hyper-inflated were a result of the fact that these groups fought along side the Nazi invaders on Russia’s soil. A minority actually died from starvation most from disease due to villagers killing cattle, burn crops, etc in protest. “There was indeed a famine in the Ukraine in the early 1930s. It appears likely that hundreds of thousands, possibly one or two million, Ukrainians died -- the minority from starvation, the majority from related diseases. By any scale, this is an enormous toll of human suffering. By general consensus, Stalin was partially responsible. By any stretch of an honest imagination, the tragedy still falls short of genocide.” Read the 1988 Village Voice article I posted. http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/vv.html

critic January 15, 2010, 16:32 quote
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Holodomor, CheKa mass-executions, Stalin`s GULAG [death] camps that claimed God knows how many lives, mass persecution of riligious groups and executions of the latter`s leaders... the list goes on and on. All of it a trail of bloody crimes both in wartime and otherwise, and none of it is ever recognised by Russian goverment, vaguely condemned, but never ever had there been any major "cleanup" as for example in Germany. A clear case of historical ignorance. Siberia is full of railroad tracks that lead from nowhere to nowhere. Full of empty camps, full of unmarked graves both old and as recent as the perestroika times. None of it thoroughly researched, and none of it really recognised. Russia celebrates each year a victory over Germany in WW2, but fails to even admit that their own government deliberately killed more people than the Germans ever did.

William January 15, 2010, 21:18 quote
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I don't doubt that the national and supranational communist governments played an essential role in flooding the west with Ukrainian grain while millions of Ukrainians resultantly starved and died, but Ukraine needs to cultivate at least a cordial relationship with Russia for if nothing else the sake of its economy. Furthermore, grudges, whether they are justified or not, are counterproductive. Judge people on their actions, but don't hate them for them. A disagreement over history is in this case different than a disagreement over ethics. Russia may deny Holomodor, but it doesn't deny that that kind of hypothesized behavior is abhorrent. If Ukraine remains preoccupied with the past, it will not achieve a bright future. Russia and Ukraine should be mutually beneficial neighbors. The coming elections seem poised to push things in that direction.

Vladimir January 15, 2010, 22:10 quote
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Bianca Thank you very much for exposing so accuratelly about what Croatians have been doing to Serbs during WWII and in 90's. May I just add that Nazi Germany has always been making a difference between "civilised" western Europeans and "barbaric" nations from the east. Prisoners Of War from the western countries were treated almost kindly, according to then valid international laws, but POWs from Russia, for example, were brutally exterminated (5-6 millions of them in WWII). After WWII all Nacies were just plainly incorporated into US, GB, and other west societes and all they were "united" against "barbaric" easterners during the cold war. That is what anglosaxon nations and those of Nacy origin have in common: a hate towards Slavs, easterners. Therefore, Croatia was generously supported to commite yet more crimes and exterminate yet more Serbs, as from ex Nazi countries (Germany, Austria, Hungary,...), so as by those from the old "western democraties" (US, Britain, France, Belgium, Holland, ...). As a nation engages to ethnically clean Serbs, Russians, and other orthodox Slavs, that's a "democracy", and that's O.K. Chechens are supported by Britain, since they kill Russians, and so they are "democrats". Georgeans are "democrats" too, as they are against Russia. Ukrainean orange revolution is also O.K., and it is a "democracy" according to westerners, as it is primarily against Russia.

don January 16, 2010, 02:28 quote
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Much of USSR suffered in the famine, and crop failures also occurred in USA. It is not good to make politics out of such a sad thing as happened to many Russian and Ukrainian aod other Eastern European people in those times.

critic January 16, 2010, 04:51 quote
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So what, did the pre-screening censors at RT decide that yet another comment that I write was not worth approving? Putting Stalin either on a pedestal, or hiding him in the closet of history does in no way deal withe the horrible atrocities of the Soviet era. People don`t forget, nomatter who they are, and the Russian goverment`s stance on the issue only begs for more questions as to why they would not aknowledge the horrible past. They say "we should not be ashamed of our past" - shame comes only from either admitting that those at power are directly related to a previous regime, or alternatively a fear of aknowledging such crimes would completely undermine the role of USSR both before and during ww2 and thus the legitimacy of the whole east-west alliance. Only cowards and dictators twist and conceal history Orewellian-style. I said it before and I will say it again - RT does a magnificent journalistic job but only as long as they do not deal with Russian politics or history. Every news agency has a taboo topic, RT`s ironicly enough is Russia and its past.

johnx January 16, 2010, 09:53 quote
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@critic I have the same problem of comments not getting posted and having to post them twice I think it is a problem with the website more than censorship. You obviously haven't read the articles I posted. Most of what we know about Stalin era is based on Cold War propaganda. Soviet researchers who have studied the archives dismiss the standard version of the Stalinist era like Professor Stephen Wheatcroft. “Repression and mass killings carried out by German and Soviet leaderships during the period 1930-45 differed in several respects. It appears that the German leader Adolf Hitler put to death at least five million innocent people mainly because of his antipathy towards Jews and communists. In contrast, Soviet leader Josef Stalin ordered the murder of some one million people because he apparently believed them to be guilty of crimes against the state. He was careful about documenting these executions whereas Hitler did not bother about making any pretence at legality.” The scale and nature of German and Soviet Repression and mass-killings, 1930-1945", Europe and Asia Studies, Vol.48, no.8, 1996, pp. 1319-1353 The man-made famine narrative is literally based on Nazi propaganda so it is Mr Yushchenko who is distorting history and using it as a political tool. Why would he propose a law to outlaw discussion on the issue? "we should not be ashamed of our past" When did they say that? And most of the people accused of atrocities during the Stalin era were not ethnic Russians. The Bolshevik revolution itself can only be described as a western coup most non-Russian exiles from New York 84-87% financed by the wealthiest capitalist bankers in the world as declassified western intelligence reports at the time reveal.

critic January 16, 2010, 15:51 quote
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To Johnx: "we should not be ashamed of our past" was said by Putin if I remember correctly. The topic was then, as it is now, the Soviet era, and if it should have been aknowledged for the atrocities that it did. Did you know that Russia passed a law that forbids undermining USSRs role in WW2? How`s that for Orewellian legislature. If you seriously believe that "1 million" people perished, then you either don`t know or are ignoring the nationwide wave CheKa executions of post-war communism, Stalin`s purge in the 30`s, plus all those who have died in Gulag. I don`t know what you know about Gulag, but in comparison Auschwitz would look like a holiday camp. That was literally hell on earth. Lastly, the soviet archives admit the unnatural deaths of 60 000 000 people during the entire Soviet era. Now with the official number of deaths in ww2 is 20 M that means 40 M people did of unnatural causes, and that is officially the _lowest_ estimate. I don`t know which books of which closet communists you read, maybe in them Pol Pot is also an angel selt by God just like Stalin, but there are crimes, there are people who remember living then (like my ancestors did), and that is undeniable. But because there has not been, and probably never will be an open international investigation into that dark time of history ass we have are communist-fanatics like those in Russia who claim Stalin was a savior, and no people really died at the hands of the communists.

Nuta January 17, 2010, 05:02 quote
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@ johnx Here is an idea… If you do not want your comments to be censored and thrown in the trash then stop insulting people due to their race, color, sex or religion…. In case you didn’t know, ALL blogs that do not discriminate do the same as RT… They block dumb and insulting comments from illiterate and ignorant people such as yourself… So, if you want your voice to be heard, try using more a civilize tone and words …

MEJanssen January 17, 2010, 18:41 quote
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I remember seeing a map of the 1930s famine effects - the drought areas stretched from Ukraine to Kazakhstan to Mongolia and Northern China. We may never know how many people died because of the famine, because China did not have good statistics then and did not like to admit they had many starved people. I don't blame Russia for all of the dead. As for the Ukrainians killed, I agree some of that was due to "punishment" ordered by Stalin, who realized only late in the game that massive numbers of people were dying. I saw a copy of the document signed by him ordering release of some grain back to the farmers, but it does not appear that he ever followed up to make sure his bureaucrats did so. Anyway, it was too little, too late. It will be interesting to see what the new president will do about that court case.

johnx January 18, 2010, 01:44 quote
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@Nuta When did I do that what I said was the truth based on non-Russian sources like intelligence reports at the time of the “revolution” including its financiers. @critic "Lastly, the soviet archives admit the unnatural deaths of 60 000 000 people during the entire Soviet era. Now with the official number of deaths in ww2 is 20 M that means 40 M people did of unnatural causes, and that is officially the _lowest_ estimate." Nonsense they do not in fact that is an impossible number people who have studied the archive and there numbers like Professor Wheatcroft who have published the records of NKVD execution orders put it at about 1 million. And the Purges were a panic response to an actual conspiracy to by Trotskyite factions in the USSR which including industrial sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the Stalinist government and was mainly targeted at the elites. Most of the deaths in the USSR during Stalins time were to mainly disease outbreaks like typhus and malaria and food shortages. If they did this why was there high production in Soviet industry and high moral during WW2 which 60% forces where non-Russian. "we should not be ashamed of our past" was said by Putin if I remember correctly. The topic was then, as it is now, the Soviet era, and if it should have been aknowledged for the atrocities that it did. Did you know that Russia passed a law that forbids undermining USSRs role in WW2? How`s that for Orewellian legislature.” Where they Russians? Name them? What speech? Were, When? In western press Putin’s speeches are taken out of context or misquoted. Did they actually pass a law I heard it just proposed one and it is a response of East European states and the US trying to rewrite history and say that the USSR and Nazi Germany had an alliance to conquer Europe which is nonsense. What about Holodomor denial law which the evidence is based on Nazi propaganda (refute the evidence I posted in earlier links).

doninnz January 28, 2010, 02:13 quote
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Yushchenko is bringing Stalin to court? It is a pity that Stalin cannot defend himself being deceased. A good memory is a sign of lack of intelligence? Let all wallow in the past injustices when they live in missile range of each other.

Ashraf March 02, 2010, 01:29 quote
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The Question is, if the famine was spread that date of 1930 throughout some or more of the Soviet Union's republics, according to emphasized narration of historical facts about the incident, why only Ukraine that suffered that extreme high rate of death without serious reaction from the union, to even the disaster among all at least? I think the response from the Russian side is fully absurd, or there are missing information from their side. I believe if only Ukraine that suffered such mass death, hence this fact alone is enough to confirm the claim of genocide. If not, hence it is subject to more investigation of the facts. Is there any other republic in the Soviet Union that had suffered the same mass death due to the famine? It is one of the most important keys in the issue. By the way, Stalin was not Russian; he was from Georgia if I am not wrong about this, but I remember very well he was not Russian. So it leads us to the second important question, Why the Russians today are much concerned about defending some human crime that non-Russian had committed? If the Russians today should not be ashamed of their past; and that human crime in discussion was not personally Russian in concern of leadership, hence, what the Kremlin is definitely defending? Do they defend Russian reputation, or they defend what Stalin had represented as Brutal-iron-man-leadership? That is the real worrisome concern stands out from the Issue of the Ukrainian massacre, and perhaps that is why the issue is sensitive to both sides, perhaps. It is not about the past, it is about the future. Role of history in human intelligence is about the past and concerns of the future. You understand the past (history) correctly; you judge the contemporary time on real time fully just; you plan for the future rightfully.

me March 09, 2010, 21:45 quote
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To "critic" and others: stop telling your preposterous lies! "Holodomor" was NOT a genocide, it was a famine that struck large parts of USSR and other countries too. Now it is being exploited by nazi-like ukranian nationalists to re-write history. The figure 60 million dead by the USSR system is so exaggerated it is stupid to imagine anyone believes it. The whole USSR had 120 million people in 1917 and 145 million after WW2. If 60 millionn died in between there must have been a whole lot of twin births to populate the country again. 20 million died in the war and maximum another 3 million all of Stalins purges including the famine called "holodomor".

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