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Published: 14 July, 2010, 16:23
Edited: 22 July, 2010, 14:40


An image grab taken from a video broadcast by Iran's state-run English-language Press TV on July 14, 2010, shows Iranian nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri (AFP Photo / DSK)

In March, US media reported on the “defection” of Shahram Amiri, an Iranian nuclear scientist who went missing in Saudi Arabia who is now accusing US officials of abducting him.

 
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Srbin July 14, 2010, 17:33 quote
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It is clear he was kidnapped or to be PC extraordinarily renditioned. The question is WHY and by WHOM he was allowed to escape?

mbach July 14, 2010, 20:20 quote
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Whether you want to admit it or not, this sounds exactly like he defected voluntarily, on his own initiative, and that whatever information he had was not very interesting to the US. He probably believed that he would receive generous compensation, and when he found out that he was going to get nothing, or almost nothing, decided to go home. Either that, or he was paid by the Iranian government to conveniently 'disappear' for a while, so that they could use his 'mysterious disappearance' for propaganda purposes and for leverage during discussions on the Iranian nuclear program at the UN and IAEA. The third possibility is that he was a 'plant', in that the Iranian government orchestrated his 'defection', providing him with documents that were intended to confuse the US about Iran's nuclear program, and that the US saw through it and for whatever reason dumped him onto the street instead of arresting him as they would any other such obvious fake. I base these arguments on the fact that there is no possibility that he could have managed to escape from a safehouse, go about posting youtube videos, and casually make his way to the nearest Iranian consular representative if the US had any interest in him. First of all, safehouses are designed to protect defectors from their own people getting at them, so nobody can just walk out. Secondly, while a defector is being debriefed and their story and information verified, I sincerely doubt that they are given access to a camera with which to put up youtube videos. Thirdly, if he did escape, the Pakistani Embassy would have been under surveillance and he would have been picked up as he tried to approach it. Or do you believe that the US is so stupid as to not realize he would head directly for it?

mbach July 14, 2010, 21:25 quote
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One other point: the US would not have assisted this guy to defect without his first proving that he had information of value. Sorry, but you can't blame this on a deficiency in the CIA. All the evidence indicates that he approached the US completely on his own.

mbach July 14, 2010, 21:44 quote
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Last point: If he had been 'kidnapped', the US would not have released him on US soil. How dumb do you think the US is? They would have dumped him in a third country, so that it would be easier to deny having anything to do with him. Again, use your brains to think things through. Is there a single instance of a country kidnapping a foreign national and then cutting them lose on their own territory? Only the Iranian government would think up such an unlikely scenario, and only so that people otherwise lacking in intelligence would buy their story and pin the blame directly on the US.

Babeouf July 14, 2010, 22:06 quote
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The American intelligence agencies have known for over a month that the Iranian nuclear scientist they kidnapped had escaped. The CIA held him in captivity for several months. And they used the fact that his abduction was public knowledge to give credence to all the claims they were making about the Iranian nuclear program. Doubtless the CIA compiled a dossier on all the new and threatening information they had extracted from their 'guest'. Then circulated their calculated fantasies to other intelligence agencies. And so applied pressure to other governments. This whole scheme is now in the process of imploding. In the greatest failure of American intelligence for decades. All they had to do was keep the Iranian scientist locked away in America and in this simple but vital task they failed absolutely. To cover up a scandal that they knew was probably unavoidable they launched the Russian spy hunt. Illegal Russian workers were arrested in a media sensation. And really that's all the 'Spy's' were supposed to do. Provide a distraction from the really big spy story of kidnapping , deception of friendly governments and public exposure of the mind boggling incompetence of the CIA.

hate my uncle July 14, 2010, 22:25 quote
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It is clear Shahram Amiri was kidnapped by west intelligence from Saudi Arabia...i believe 100% what srbin say

Sam July 15, 2010, 09:05 quote
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Obviously he was kidnapped, you just don't defect and then run for sanctuary to the Pakistani embassy. I believe that the only reason he is alive is because he pretended to agree to defect or they would never let him out.

Ormoz July 15, 2010, 10:05 quote
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Don't believe a word both these governments say! He was moved to the US to update the US nuclear experts and engineers on the progress of the Iranian program and get knowhow and necessary material to be organised and shiped to Iran. The US and Israel want Iran to become nuclear but we should not know about that. It would be risky for US experts to go to Iran or a number of Iranian engineer to go to the US, so one went and stayed enough to learn enough. This way not even his colleagues suspect anything!! He was abducted!! For more on why the US and the Neocons want to nuclearise Iran go to raceforiran.com!!!

simple July 15, 2010, 16:59 quote
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He would never go back to Iran if he went to the cia on his own free will, any country has the capability to get info out off anybody’s head no matter who they are or how they were trained. I think they did torture him and he did spill his guts out. But that info that the cia got was completely insignificant. The cia probably did offer him money to stay and make a propaganda campaign. As a patriot he is he went back to his home land to his family and friends. The Iranian or any government would never allow somebody with crucial info go to another country, come on please mbach don’t tell me you didn’t know Saudi Arabia is the 51st state of the USA. As simple as that.

Zak July 15, 2010, 19:43 quote
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"Deflected" scientist was abducted, druged, tortured....It was a classic eg. of "democracy and human rights" at work! From point A ( in front of his hotel in S.Arabia) to point B(return home in Iran) 100 of diff. crimes was commited every each day, by" always lawfull " agency CIA. It look to me that he was not so valid as "witness" as the US consider ...To bay him, they" deposit" 5 millons of $ in his bank account just to try to keep him(to stay and deflect) and by that , to cover their criminal doing. Brave man never sale his familly of his state( he didn't knew much) so in the end they have to let him go...He is endeed a lucky one. Just becouse witnesses been there(in S.Arabia) Iran know who was behind abduction or otherways they will for sure make him gone forever....Usa shall not even try to explain - it is so obvious and they done this 100 of times before! As for him-I wish him all the best...I respect him for not to sale their own (telling lies about Iran building nuclear weapons) and refusing to live the rest of his live as a king-some things are not for sale! CIA done unbelieveable stupid thing-if you really try to find material evidence that Iran building nucl.weapons(up to now not one), find a real hard proof without any doubt and dont try to extort one or fake one...I am ( I believe majority of people to) against spread of nuclear weapons around the world (regardless what is real issue with Iran and not only excuse for Usa) but doing this unlawfull act didn't help you at all....What also strike me is fact, that you also offer a lot of money(for a lie which in the end will not help your"case") and yet your own citizens have hardship to pay the bills,live without healt care,loosing houses,sleping at streets and many are jobless??!! Thank you.

Kihnu July 16, 2010, 04:01 quote
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The CIA was looking to turn Amiri into an Iranian version of "Curve Ball". You all recall "Curve Ball" don't you? He was the Iraqi con artist who made fools of the Americans by selling them "information" about Saddam's nuclear program for millions of dollars. The information "Curve Ball" gave was false, and the German intelligence told the CIA not to trust "Curve Ball" because he was a drunken liar out to con the Americans. Of course, the CIA and the Bush administration were so excited about "Curve Ball" that they never revified the accuracy of the information he peddled them, and used it in their perfidious campaign to frighten the American people into supporting their invasion of Iraq. But, alas, Amiri turned out to be a patriotic Iranian who was not interested in playing the CIA game of "turn traitor against your own people" - a game the CIA plays throughout the world - especially well in Russia. Next time the CIA comes calling with a pistol and millions of dollars, they would do better to kidnap someone other than an Iranian. The Iranians are proving out to be too smart for the CIA, and much too patriotic to turn traitor against their own country. Got to hand it to old "Curve Ball" though. He sure conned the Americans with his slick talk. The more the Germans warned the Americans about the deceitfulness of sly "Curve Ball", the more dollars the Americans shoved into his bank account.

Anon July 16, 2010, 12:08 quote
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I am more inclined to believe the American version of events: They contacted him in Saudi and offered him huge sums of cash to defect, he took the bait but later worried about threats to his family (real or imagined) and decided to run away. It is also possible that the had Americans promised to get his family to the USA but then failed to do so. If he had been kidnapped, he would have been detained rather than being allowed to live freely. They would most likely have killed him and left his body somewhere in the Middle East afterwards. If he disappears in Iran or has a fatal accident, it may indicate that, despite their public announcements, the Iranians may believe that he has not been entirely honest with them.

Babeouf July 16, 2010, 13:08 quote
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There is no real problem in understanding how the Iranian nuclear scientist escaped. After his kidnapping and transportation to America the CIA said to him. "Were putting out a well sourced story that you defected. And unless you want to spend the rest of your life in Guantanamo Bay you will help us with the story. We will make a video and in it you just repeat the lines we give you ,saying you defected. Then you can go into the witness protection program. And spend the rest of your life in comfort". And the CIA were sure that once they had his confession he would play ball. Well the rest is history. The scientist made the video and went off into the witness protection program. Doubtless he gave every indication of having excepted the reality of his position. And over months his minders grew fewer and less intrusive. And when he was sure that his minders were sure he was 'onside'. He began to plan his escape.

Srbin July 16, 2010, 13:26 quote
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July 14, 2010, 21:44, mbach wrote > Last point: If he had been 'kidnapped', the US would not have released him on US soil. How dumb do you think the US is? 1.There are many aparatchiks in the USA Gov. who do not approve of the Fascists policies imposed on US by Israel. 2.Dumb enough to allow 9/11 to happen in spite of numerous warnings from the agents in the field. > They would have dumped him in a third country, so that it would be easier to deny having anything to do with him. > Again, use your brains to think things through. Is there a single instance of a country kidnapping a foreign national and then cutting them lose on their own territory? 1.He wasn't released by Israel servants, it was American patriots who released him. > Only the Iranian government would think up such an unlikely scenario, and only so that people otherwise lacking in intelligence would buy their story and pin the blame directly on the US. 1. CNN admitted to having Pentagon's psy-ops in control of their "news" rooms.

Give peace a chance July 16, 2010, 16:36 quote
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The New York Times has reported today that the poor guy had allegedly "collaborated for years" with the US, while still in Iran. Thia cynical claim reads like a desperate plea to have him killed by the Iranians and thus 1) to have him shut up for good, while making someone else (here Iran) do the dirty job, and 2) to make Iran thereby conform to the image of those very bad guys for which they are being passed. Still it is incredible that such a self-regarded newspaper who is also beholden to its public image would let itself to be a venue for spreading a rumor of this kind, which tries to paint the poor guy as a super-traitor--what an abominable eagerness to produce the scientist's death!

DJ Morrissey July 16, 2010, 19:41 quote
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Has anybody floated the idea that the US dragged up its Russian "spy scandal" in an effort to distract attention away from this Iranian guy, whose story could have had far greater implications for the White House?

Vladimir July 16, 2010, 22:02 quote
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A very good news that Dr Amiri has somehow managed to escape and get back in Teheran. This case is just another indication how brutal and immoral the United States are, together with a bounch of its Agencies (like CIA). The image of the US has again fallen down, but this time to a depth from which it is hardly to believe that it will ever succeed to recover fully. The whole wide world is virtually shocked by this kind of behavior of the US state agencies. Kidnappimg and terrorizing scientists all around was not even the manner of Nacists during the WWII.

Ormoz July 18, 2010, 08:29 quote
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Don't believe a word any of these governments say! He (the Iranian engineer) was moved to the US to update the US nuclear experts and engineers on the progress of the Iranian program and get know-how and necessary material to be organised and shipped to Iran. The US and Israel want Iran to become nuclear secretly. It would be risky and scandalous for US experts to go to Iran or a number of Iranian engineers to go to the US, so one went and stayed enough to learn enough. This way not even his colleagues suspect anything!! He was abducted!! For more on why the US and the Neo Cons want to nuclear Iran go to raceforiran.com!!! One good reason for this is that as long as it was about energy and the Russians were involved they kept supplying and helping Iran, when they realised it was going beyond energy they are signalling that they would not be cooperating with Iran. When Iran gets the bomb the first country in range is Russia not US or Israel!! So the Americans have to help Iran now that Russia is pulling out. US and Israel have been cooperating with Iran in Nuclear matters secretly. The extent is unknown but the NUCLEAR EXECTIVE REVIEW reported on the enrichment facilities in Iran as “a copy of Israel’s” and “one could see Israel’s fingerprints on the Iranian facilities and method”!!! As for US, all the nuclear material and equipment Saddam had were moved to Iran during the first days of the US occupation of Iraq, among them 500 Tons of yellow cake!!!

Srbin July 19, 2010, 14:08 quote
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"As for US, all the nuclear material and equipment Saddam had were moved to Iran during the first days of the US occupation of Iraq, among them 500 Tons of yellow cake!!!" @Ormoz According to unconfirmed reports and secret sources Israel and US shipped 25 nuclear bombs to Iran as a sign of good will and to be a proxy-warrior for them against Russia.

DAVID July 22, 2010, 10:32 quote
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Iran will not be attaked by us or israel. It was not strved to death as iraq was.It was not bambarded destroing its infrastracture and merdering its people. Yet rassia must help people of iran. THANK YOU RUSSIA.

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