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“NATO may cease to exist in 15 to 20 years”

Published: 17 December, 2009, 15:38
Edited: 16 January, 2010, 13:41


It is more important for Russia to have good relations with NATO’s most powerful member states than with the alliance itself, as it may soon stop existing, political science professor Gerhard Mangott told RT.

 
16 COMMENTS
Annon December 17, 2009, 16:24 quote
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NATO is a US dominated organisation which they currently use to give thier 'empire' legitamacy and political acceptance. NATO will endure for as long as the USA remain the dominant global power. As the Europeans move towards a unified and indiginous military alliance between EU members, NATO itself may disapear but their 'partnership' with the USA and other nations will not - it will simply evolve into a new entity. So, NATO or not, the USA will be on the European scene for a long time, its just the internal power structure and name that will change.

Count Cash December 17, 2009, 16:28 quote
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Nato will only fail to exist, if the world can prevent this western monster reaching its goals of military hegemony in support of Bankism. It will always exist, while it generates returns, be that control of drugs, control or prevention of control of hydrocarbons, control of natural resorces ...... Basically Nato will always exist, while it can be afforded and whilst it can generate a return for the investors.

Kihnu December 17, 2009, 18:22 quote
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NATO will only cease to exist when the US no longer has any use for that organization. NATO is currently a convenient tool for American manipulation of European nations.

Nussiminen December 17, 2009, 18:38 quote
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There are occasions when indeed you're tempted to say: "If only!". Somebody envisaging a world wihout NATO within 2 decades' time definitely makes a strong case in point. The post submitted by Count Cash is spot on characterizing NATO as a "Western monster", driven by insatiable greed for power, resources, and money. In my view, NATO superbly testifies to capitalism's ingrained culture of corruption, fraud, arrogance, and utter contempt for life, a.k.a militarism. Thus, anyone suggesting that "NATO may cease to exist in 15 to 20 years" has to explain what, exactly, this is supposed to entail. The possibilities at hand are mutually exclusive and, in fact, very few as well. To wit: 1) NATO's madmen simply finish off the planet for good. 2) Successful popular revolutions worldwide finish off NATO for good. 3) The beloved upper echelons of Western capitalist society decide to launch some brand new warmongering outfit even more aggressive and reactionary than NATO; something along the lines of Wehrmacht. Any thoughts?

Bianca December 17, 2009, 20:20 quote
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Regionalism is on the rise. It has been quietly gaining strenght over the past few years, but is now out in the open and discussed at lenght. The vacuum that US power is creating has intensified the moves of Turkey and Japan to act in the region. Turkey has for years worked quietly to get out of the regional isolation by cultivating econimic, energy and regional politics with Russia, Iran, Syria and Central Asia. Recently, Turkey has stepped into Balkan space as well. This all makes sense, as the US power cannot project to all these spaces, and certainly cannot directly micromanage things as the situation has been so far. Naturally, when a regional power rises, their relationships with neighborood change the dynamics of the relationships with their presumed allies. This is the Turkey's relationship with US and UK, as the alarms have been heard from Wall Street Journal to The Economist. Japan is now on the move to integrate itself in the region, and that means rebuilding ties with China. In Latin America, Brazil is showing independence in foreign affairs, foreshadowing the future of the Continent. And in Europe, we will see. Will Germany step up to the plate in the post-Lisbon structure? How will Sarkozy's France take it with their neocon power on the rise? And is Italy actually showing the future --- open economic and political ties with Russia? It will be a slow process where Europe, as a region, will have to find its own home in the "family of nations".

Abdul Rahim Bin Osman December 18, 2009, 12:47 quote
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Many seems to say that NATO stands for 'no action talk only' Oh, no baby, it's real for 'wait and see and strike eventually all the times' We can not fail see that the demise of NATO, would only bring more disasterous war actions.Like Annon says it would evolve into something new.NATO is not like UN body which only seems to be weak in action planning. So, it would stay as status qou, becos we really need a war body to guard the eventuality throughout mankind.And for that matter, USA needs more than NATO needs USA.

Aido December 18, 2009, 15:03 quote
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i hope not. NATO is the greatest force in the world. Without NATO there would be all kinds of evil disctator ships ruling the world. NATO saved me and my family from genocides and I thank them for that. People who are against NATO just fear them because they want to do evil acts. thank you NATO for your help and we love you!

Vladmir pupuski December 18, 2009, 22:18 quote
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NATO will never cease to exist. Russia continues to follow the cold war logic and slaps its neighbors around at its own will ie.caucuses and ex soviet states. Russia spys at cold war levels, resumed cold war bombing flight paths, threatened to nuke Czech republic and Poland and has not changed much since the USSR dissolved. Is also in the SCO with China Russia. Shes trying to retain its much lost influence and to get back what it lost but it will come at a huge cost and possibly her demise.

William of the USA December 18, 2009, 23:28 quote
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Some people here have said that NATO could be destroyed by financial problems, but I doubt that. They could certainly weaken NATO, but such a weakening would only give individual members more cause to want to be part of the collective because they would feel individually more vulnerable. NATO won't disappear unless NATO members decide they don't want to be part of it anymore. Even if NATO fails in Afghanistan, I still don't see that happening. The most plausible scenario in which it might happen is if Western Europe decided that they didn't want to be part of NATO anymore because they don't perceive there as being any great military threats to their societies, and their membership in NATO results in them entering controversial wars that aren't very important to them. However, since their contributions to such wars, on a member to member basis, tend to be minuscule anyway, I still don't see them leaving NATO. It provides a level of geopolitical stability for them to be close military partners with their neighbors and to be members of a defense organization which no country could attack without being ruined. NATO provides solid geopolitical order. Even if no major military threats exist, the mere existence of NATO makes it much less likely that any will develop because allies can't be enemies and enemies, at least in the form of countries, can't beat NATO without themselves being ruined. Obviously, Georgia and most Eastern Europe still feel very nervous about Russia because of the USSR's oppression (even if you deny it, it is certainly broadly perceived), so they won't leave NATO. If you look at history, you'll notice that France left NATO for a long time as a sort of protest to the Vietnam War. Likewise, I don't think NATO will end unless its members become politically incompatible with one another. Obviously, if Bush could do what Bush did without making that a reality, NATO is here to stay.

matt December 19, 2009, 01:34 quote
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NATO will never cease to exist. Russia continues to follow the cold war logic and slaps its neighbors around at its own will ie.caucuses and ex soviet states. Russia spys at cold war levels, resumed cold war bombing flight paths, threatened to nuke Czech republic and Poland and has not changed much since the USSR dissolved. Is also in the SCO with China Russia. Shes trying to retain its much lost influence and to get back what it lost but it will come at a huge cost and possibly her demise.

hm December 19, 2009, 12:54 quote
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December 18, 2009, 15:03, Aido wrote > i hope not. NATO is the greatest force in the world. Without NATO there would be all kinds of evil disctator ships ruling the world. NATO saved me and my family from genocides and I thank them for that. People who are against NATO just fear them because they want to do evil acts. thank you NATO for your help and we love you! Nice piece of sarcasm ;)

Biloxi December 19, 2009, 13:04 quote
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the human being must change the money mind. until the collective and individual money mind in the human is changed with regards to how money is traded and exchanged, there shall be no disappearing of any machine that can kill indiscriminately millions at a time when trillions and trillions of ownership is earth plus the space and stars and universe and and and ... .... too lucrative are private-public partnerships and the blood lust is not a secret or we are truly too stupid to continue inhabiting this incredible intelligent mother earth. get it over with nato, et al. rid the planet of all but fauna and flora since you are such a great god to bow down to in the 21st century and the du is such good sustenance.

Nussiminen December 19, 2009, 17:27 quote
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The following pronouncement of Aido's is truly fascinating. A nasty little Freudian slip, perhaps? >> People who are against NATO just fear them because they want to do evil acts. >> Very well said, Aido! Mind the pronouns "them" and "they". Makes perfect sense indeed to staunch adversaries of NATO such as myself. Another interesting detail in your post is the plural tense in >> genocides >> . Maybe you're hinting here at armed conflicts years apart (which I believe is entirely legitimate to do). But, at the risk of appearing overly harsh on you: If NATO, as it were, saved you and your family's lives -- and presuming further that none of you personified a REAL evil dictatorship (as imposed by Western Big Business) -- then these happy endings were mere instances of lucky accident, pure and simple. The self-professed "International Community" in charge of NATO has quite a few concerns way above those of ordinary mortals, mind you.

Larry December 20, 2009, 08:06 quote
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Americans must understand the cold war is over and disband NATO otherwise we will be consumed by NATO's corruption just as Germany was consumed by the Nazis. Remember that the Nazis revived the German economy by creating a military/industrial complex that could only stay in business if the war machine was kept running. Today the biggest employer and educator of American youth is the US military. Most healthy US corporations are connected to the military as well. Most of the rest of us not connected to the US government or corporations are under paid and under employed. Patriotic Americans should ask themselves, "Who won the World Wars?" NATO is the new AXIS. Europe is a 'union' dominated by Germany's economic power. Hitler's agenda of destroying the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia has been accomplished. The rest of Eastern Europe is occupied or controlled by NATO and economically exploited for cheap labor & resources. The governments of these NATO countries resemble Latin America. They are corrupt, ineffectual and submissive colonies of large corporations.A special minority of pro-Western classes of the super-rich dominate large numbers of poverty-stricken ordinary citizens. Meanwhile also thanks to NATO, the Ottoman Empire has been revived with all the old ear-marks of the Turks. Gangsterism, human slavery, drug-dealing have all been revived to profit Islamic expansionism.

Arnold Jackson December 20, 2009, 15:28 quote
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NATO was formed to counter the Warsaw Pact which has long since been gone. Unless their charter has changed what is the true purpose of NATO and why are NATO troops in Afghanistan? The World's political thinking upside down. The Soviet Union has disbanded so Iran and the terrorist are the new enemies of the world which is so wrong. Iran is a threat to no one and terrorist are only a threat to the countries they're located in.

don January 16, 2010, 02:32 quote
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NATO in some form or other will always be with us. It may not be called NATO but it will be there. Russia should remember the past in otder to have a safe future. Talk softly and carry a big stick.

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