Medvedev says no to false history
Published: 24 May, 2009, 09:06
Edited: 07 April, 2010, 21:27
President Medvedev has signed a decree on setting a commission to counter attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests, the Kremlin said.
I will wait for the news that Katyn massacre was done by Germans, USSR didn`t invade Poland on 17th September 1939, there was no Ribbentropp-Molotov alliance pact between Germany and USSR, and Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia weren`t invaded - those countries joined USSR voluntarly :).
The efforts of these countries to re-write history are made with a clear goal to erase the memory, the standing, and the legacy of those who died and fought a war that was brought upon the then Soviet Union. Let's be clear and let's not be fooled again, the people who masterminded the so called "calor revolutions" are in the process of implementing "PART II" of their job. Yuschenko heads this effort and the other presidents follow this path. President Medvedev took the right step to respond this aggression. The response must be firm, strong and clear. Puppets will not destroy the Russian soul and heritage. Puppets and their mastermind bosses beware...
Yeah, and those tousands of people, which were deported to Siberia, were only "a few tourists enjoying their picnic".
Pushkin, I don't honestly think they try to rewrite history, to create a PART II. I think they simply do it, to hide their part as direct NAZIs or NAZI colaborators. It is a pure shame avoidance excercise, to find and use a diversionary tactic, because the truth that they were part of the NAZI's, is something they can never admit to. This is the reason why Germany, brought in legislation attacking Holocaust denial. I would say though, that all laws, need teeth, and I hope he will back this up with suitable personal and commercial sanctions against offenders.
To: From Poland, Here are some more history lessons that they didn't learn in Russia. Stalin wanted to create Polish armed forces loyal to the Soviet Union. A year earlier, the Soviets had begun a deception policy in which a number of their officers learned to speak and write Polish and developed cover stories about their birthplaces and backgrounds. These officers cast aside their Red Army uniforms and were outfitted as Polish officers. By Stalin’s direct order, the Soviet 6th Air Force Army became the Polish Air Force. Stalin not only created new Polish officers, he also created a new Polish government that would do his bidding. Poland now had two completely different governments: the government-in-exile in London, recognized by Great Britain and the United States, and the new government created with Stalin’s approval. "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It."
Are you saying that Hitler was better for Poland than the Soviet Union? Hitler slaughtered 6 million Poles (besides Polish Jews). Why do you people make this argument? You could make some speculative argument, silly, but reasonable somehow, that Poland might have been better off in the US camp after World War II, but for some reason you go back and attack the Popular Front during World War II!! Why? Are you fascist ideologes, because I don't think most decent people would want to be part of a force that loved Hitler. To claim that Stalin was not dealing with HITLER, that whatever he did in Poland was in defense of the Soviet Union and all its allies, including the Polish people, is sheer nonsense, and I'm sick of it. Stalin was under great compulsion and coercion himself, or do you think it was easy for him to beat Hitler?? Why do you so easily forgive the US for apartied and incarceration of Japanese during World War II, but you will not forgive Stalin for some bad things he felt he had to do? I hope everyone in the world stands up to this. I agree with Medvedev, totally!
To Pauline, No, I will not forgive Stalin for murdering millions of people (even his own.) However, we could not have defeated Hitler without the Red Army. I will salute those brave Red Army soldiers as I salute the Western Allies as well. I repeat - we could not have defeated the Germans without the help from the Soviet Union. Churchill and Roosevelt knew they could not defeat Germany without the help of Stalin. Don't forget that they did not completely trust Stalin, because of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Stalin was present at the signing of this Treaty of Non-aggression. He did this so he could get a piece of Poland too. Stalin knew exactly what Hitler was planning. Churchill was concerned about Stalin's quest for Poland too. This is why the Polish government-in-exile was in London. Gee, and you wonder why Poland joined NATO 10 years ago.... I do like and admire Mr. Medvedev, but he is foolish to think that he can try to re-write Soviet history. Why is it that the survivors of this terrible war are told that they are trying to write false history? There are not too many survivors left to tell him the truth, but lucky for us - we have the documents to prove this history to the world. We are observing Memorial Day on Monday in the United States. I will remember our fallen heroes as well as our Soviet Allies in World War II. They all died to protect us and we must all honor these true heroes. May they all rest in peace.......
C - the problem is that your analysis is too simple. There are those that survived, and suffered greatly, but were not part of the NAZI cause. However, there were another class of survivors, who were part of the NAZI cause. It is the second class of survivors, who try to hide within the first group, because it removes their shame and culpability. The first group, we all have sympathy with, the second group is a cynical group, that is trying to rewrite history, to suit their own political ends. I always support all the allies for their massive achievements in removing the Nazis, be they Russian, US, Canadian, free french, free poles, free dutch ..... I will never forget their enormous sacrifice, neither will I disrespect them, by allowing Nazi actors and collaborators, to rewrite history to remove their balme and culbability.
Snow is black but sugar is a little white. Snow is black these days because it is taking sunlight and is melting faster. Shows global warning, you know? Sugar does not yet need to be any blacker than it is, for now.
To Count Cash, I totally agree with you. The world will be a miserable place if the Nazis would have won. Thank goodness we have defeated them. I was good friends with an elderly German man who was a young soldier during the war. He seemed to be very much against Hitler. However, when I traveled to Germany with him, he became another person. I'll never forget that when I was reading a biography about Winston Churchill on the plane, he became very angry with me. He called Churchill a war criminal. When we arrived in Germany, he was showing me all of the places that the British, American, & Russians destroyed. Before he died, he came by my work to visit with me. I knew he wasn't right in the head, because he started to blame different races of people for the problems of the world. At that time, I was working with 2 Jewish people, so I had to escort him out of my office building. These Germans were brainwashed at an early age to think that Hitler was their Savior. It's really scary to see this! He was cremated after his death and was buried in Germany. I'm sure he took a lot of secrets to the grave with him. I wish he was around to see President Obama elected....that would have been some justice to me. Please have a blessed Memorial Day and I will be thinking about all of our Heroes around the world who have died to save the world from the evils of the Nazis.
Falsifying history is Pure Bad Manners!! One should not indulge in such things. raaj joshi
Living in america, just about all history one is taught is propaganda. I've learned that to get an accurate picture of historical events, one must not rely upon american sources. A lot of this latest round of history falsification going on in Europe is american inspired. By that I mean it is propaganda to support american interests. These Estonian nazi collaborator worshipers are also people wanting closer ties with american corporate interests. In Ukraine, you had the american puppet yushi backed by the local Ukraine neo-nazis. One thing few would know from western journalism is that most Jewish people in Ukraine backed Yanko, partly because of yushi's courting neo-nazis. What even less people in the west know is that israel backed neo-nazi courting yushi (soros is more israeli loyal than anything) in direct opposition to what most Jewish people in the Ukraine wanted.
The “commission to counter attempts to falsify history” consists of 28 members, including Kremlin-minded politicians, representatives of the military and of the FSB – and just three historians, none of whom are held in high professional esteem by fellow-historians. One is therefore left with the impression that political correctness and not historical clarity is what the commission is designed to achieve. As the article itself states, the purpose of the Commission is “to counter attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests.” It is the “detriment of Russia’s interests” that clearly appears to be the operative motive. The article cited five examples of alleged “re-writing of history”. The first is Holdomor famine in the Ukraine. Based on the preponderance of historical opinion the world over, in 2003 a joint declaration of the United Nations defined the famine as a result of the cruel actions and policies of the Soviet government. While this declaration, and the accepted historical opinion that it is based on, may indeed by a re-writing of the Soviet representation of history, it is hardly a re-writing of history. The UN is not in the business of falsifying history. The second cited example is posters that appeared in Lvov in April of this year claiming that Ukrainians who fought alongside Nazi Germany “fought for Ukraine”. History records that both the Nazis and the Soviets savaged Ukraine. It seems that therefore Ukrainians who fought within the militaries of either of those two entities could be said, without any re-writing of history at all, to have been fighting at least one of the oppressors of the Ukraine, and therefore to have been fighting “for Ukraine”. The third cited example was of a Russian who fought for the Soviet side in Latvia, and who was convicted in Latvia of genocide. As Latvian legislation allowed him to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, the man appealed and his appeal was judged correct by that Court. This happened quite apart from the operation of Medvedev’s Commission, and due process of law did not need to depend on anything resembling it. The fourth example was Estonia’s relocation of a Stalinist monument. The article failed to detail what aspect of history this re-location was supposedly “re-writing.” The fifth example was Estonia’s and Latvia’s commemoration of the sacrifice of men who, in 1944-45 tried to stop the return of Stalinist terror and atrocities to their homeland by fighting the returning Soviets within the context of the German military. Again, what history this is supposedly re-writing is not made clear. Neither is any attempt made to clarify why the Moscow’s annual May 9 commemoration of the sacrifices of Russians who fought against a foreign invader of their homeland in the uniform of Stalin’s Red Army is not a celebration of Stalinism, but a commemoration of the sacrifices of Estonians and Latvians who fought against a foreign invader of their homeland in a German uniform nevertheless is a celebration of Nazism – despite the fact that the people concerned have consistently denied that it is. Truth has a habit of looking after itself, and has never needed an arm of government, reminiscent of Orwell’s “Ministry of Truth”, to facilitate it. “Ministries of Truth” instead have a doleful record of perverting factual history.
The not very Russian "Russian revolution" seeing how it only had 17 ethnic Russians out 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State between 1918-1919. "Last Days of the Romanovs," by Robert Wilton, T. Butterworth/London/1920, George H. Doran Publishers/New York/1920, Institute for Historical Review/Virginia Beach CA/2nd Printing 1996, pp. 184-185 -- According to the data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State Robert Wilton was the London Times correspondent at the time plus there is the now declassified foreign intelligence reports at the time testifying to the foreign nature of the Communist revolution. . Not to mention the fact that it was financed by the wealthiest banking families in the world Schiff, Rothschild, Warburg with help of German intelligence, etc. The first head of the CHEKA/NKVD/KGB who created the organisation was Polish Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky which also created the Gulag system. http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/soviet.exhibit/gulag.html Even in Katyn the head of the NKVD at the time was the Georgian Beria. Didn't Poland invade parts of Ukraine during the civil war that casualty rate dwarfed that of Katyn. And didn't Polish army officers massacre 50,000 German civilians in territories given to them by the Versailles treaty called the Danzig massacres which caused German intervention starting WW2. And didn't these Marxist groups organise and originate in parts of Poland and Ukraine called the Pale of Settlement.
After the demise of the Soviet Union, the West found the opportunity to falsify history. They started to make allegations and of course they "backed" them with "diclassified" documents of the KGB, that for example Stalin was responsible for ordering the death of 20 million people. At the same some non-governmental institutions in the former Soviet reupublics started to carry out "research" and found "evidence" of Russian officials, who were acting as "ocuppiers", etc. I am not denying that there were instances where the Soviet authorities could have behaved wrongly but I believe that the Western propaganda never stopped to antagonise Russia with the aim to weaken Russia and at the same block the routes of the vast resources coming into Europe and the rest of the world. Falsification of history is a complex issue and needs to be thoroughly invistigated and counteracted and I believe that the decision of President Medvedev to set up the commission is right, especially now that Russia is recovering but at the same time facing new challenges and threats.
I thought I should try to write all about what year what happened, but its like writing a book here again. Poor Poland allied itself with Nazis in 1934. They participated in partition and pressure of Czechoslovakia, also none of you mentioned that after Vienna arbitration (First one) Poland stole 226 sq. km, including about 4600 people, but I guess its not true, since most of my father´s family lived there and moved from Poles, who still wanted more, but Hungarians stole more than Slovakia´s (then Czecho-Slovakia) 25% of its former territory. Im not going to mention Hungary, because it always wants to revision every neighbour´s borders as far as I know and their Hungarisation underhanded practices didnt stop in 1919. After WW2 there were 600 000 Slovaks, today, theres only 20 000. They always cry about us that we´re denying them human rights...everything they do in many occasions. So Poland is always trying to use western countries to get some advantage over their neighbors theyre still imperial. They were used by Germany by then, today theyre used by US. Once the US will retract from central/eastern Europe, then Poland along with ČR will look badly, since their patron who promised them everything in exchange for lies will look badly in front of states who didnt throw themselves before the US and their´democracy´ as usual what they bring is green papers. After all the west let go our new pro-german state went with 50 000 troops against Poland. They conquered some cities. I feel no guilt, I had no relative in ww2 as far as I know, it wasnt our war, but Poland paid for its naivity. Of course that was already after the Small war with Hungary that wanted to consume us, which they didnt manage. Anyways, I believe the role of American bankers and the rise of german industry should be credited to US, which officially had nothing to do with Europe. I dont believe that countries with false history will pay, take a look at Georgia. But what if Russia wasnt there? They need brainwash PR, weapons, numerical superiority. Who´s gonna stop them when national socialists will be in power? Take a look at central Europe theres some hot candidate/s. Im tired need to sleep now, so I hope I wrote nothing that couldnt be understood
Learn something new every day here and yes I did checked. Russian Revolution did in fact have minority Russian representation, Dzerzhinsky Was in fact Polish and he did create the Gulag system that many Russians suffered. Stalin we all know was Georgian. And for the Poles here that keep remembering that the USSR had a treaty with Nazi Germany but never ever mention that before then they themselves allied with Nazi germany to claim Czechoslovakian territory, Is just a good example on how they are trying to rewrite history. It seems to me that these that blame Russia for the USSR are the same nationalities that cause the decades of suffering for the Russians. If anyone is to whine it should be the Russians that suffered from ideas imported from places like Poland and Georgia.
Dear Tom, You wrote about polish annexation of Zaolzie - but You forgot to write that this was polish territory legally ceded to Poland by the League of Nations. Czechoslovakia backstabbed Poland (invaded without any declaration and lost pitfuly) during Polish-Soviet war but kept this territory simpy because Poland was to busy fighting with Soviet Russia to take it back. And about imperial polish ambitions - there aren`t any. How can potato making country have any? There are no territorial demands from polish side to any of our neighbours. If Poland would be imperial with its pathetic potential then it would build nukes, and roll tanks from russian to belorussian border like North Korea does to South Korea. Dear Johnx, I ask You again to name Your source about Danzig massacres - previously You didn`t respond.
History is written by winners. Hope all of you know that. Atrocities of a mass scale were conducted by Germans and Russians. In fact, prior to the attack on Soviet Union German high ranking officers were taught by the Russian counterparts on concentration camp building and some of the Soviet dissident extermination methods were implemented and improved in the German concentration camps. You will never understand the meaning of historic events and always will end up in arguments if you overlook a simple fact - Wars never start by the people or nations but always by the governments. Wars have to be financed. If you will manage to find the sources of financing, if you will manage to find the sources of ideology and true biographies of nations' "leaders", you will see a true picture of such dark events of human history. And the reality is never going to be the same.










The Countries falsifying the history will suffer from their own falsification. Simple the effect of the "boomerang effect".