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Neo-Nazis holiday in Eastern Europe

Published: 20 October, 2009, 11:02
Edited: 20 February, 2010, 09:07


Ukrainian nationalist

The continuing rise of neo-Nazis in Europe has provoked condemnation from the United Nation's General Assembly, but its rapid growth has many demanding action rather than words.

 
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Count Cash October 20, 2009, 12:31 quote
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The Nazis and their Axis partners were an evil that took close to 100 million soules from this earth and manifested suffering beyond belief upon millions more. People are playing with fire to even go close to anything that can allow the Nazis to rear their ugly evil head again. The Nazis just need a chink in the armour, just a slither a crack to get through, and before you know it you are looking at a spectre beyong belief eating flesh and bones in the name of hatred. The chink just needs to be a misguided policy that allows it to take root. That chink will be exploited and exploited until Pandora's box is opened wide and the carnage ensues. There is no place for Nazism, there is no place for anything that can remotely give it a chance to reincarnate, we need put such pressure on its roots that it is disenfected from this earth before it can get to a viable culture strength. There are huge mistakes being made in eastern europe, their motives I am not interested in, their net effect I am. By misguided policy it is providing a breeding ground for this evil. Europe needs to act fast, tollerance has no place with regard to Nazism, neither do misguided policies. The EU should act, driven by Germany, to enact a European wide law to ban assembly of any kind, using any symbology including regiments ... of an era that we all want banished forever to the history books. Europe if you don't act, the Nazis will, and it will destroy you!

Vladimir October 20, 2009, 19:01 quote
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Well, it is the Baltic states that openly celebrate now their active participation in SS troupes and it has been registered by a number of international organizations!!! I am just curious what will Marzipan6 comment on this? Is it going to be "Calm down, it is only verifiable facts that I have always been interested in"? What are you going to say on this? A widely accepted opinion about Baltics being Nazi not only during WWII, but even in the present time! Not really shocking when one recalls the content of previous Marzipan6's exposures.

Marzipan6 October 20, 2009, 19:01 quote
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Annual parades are held throughout Russia where thousands of men, young and old, march in the uniforms and under the banners of Stalin’s Red Army. No Russian seems bothered by this. No one can point to a corresponding display of Nazi symbolism in Estonia. There are no pictures of thousands of goose stepping men there, no Nazi flags, no swastikas, no Nazi salutes – nothing. Estonians did not fight for the war aims of its historic enemy, Germany. Estonians were horrified at the prospect of Soviet occupants returning on the heels of the withdrawing Germans to resume the Red terror of 1940-41. Resisting this, in Russian logic, means that Estonians must have been either bad or mad – or in a word, Nazi. Meanwhile, the irony of Russians’ own annual celebration of one of this planet’s bloodiest regimes quite escapes them. It should not be surprising that Estonians did not approve of German occupation regime which killed their people and quashed their freedom, yet Russians constantly seem surprised at this. Nor should it be surprising that Estonians did not share Nazi Germany’s maniacal race dogmas which assigned them the status of being “inferior peoples.” Some Estonians fought in German colors at a time when they were under German occupation to prevent the vastly greater horror of Soviet occupation returning to their land. Estonians did not have an army of their own to fight in, because Moscow already disbanded it in its first brutal occupation of 1940-41. Estonians do not celebrate Nazism like Russians celebrate Stalin’s Red Army. Instead, they honor the men who, in the midst of a difficult foreign occupation, risked and sacrificed their lives to try to prevent the return of an even more horrible Soviet occupation. They want to thank them because for 50 years under the restored Soviet occupation they could not.

bad news October 20, 2009, 20:05 quote
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Here in the U. S. A. we seldom get any real news from around the world. It is so sanitized and scrutenized to ensure that it is politically correct that it is more a form of propaganda than news. Any news reporting that does not fit the mold is instantly discredited and reporters and their news agency are in serious trouble with the political party that is currently in power and their government. Political leaders spend tons of money {not usually their own} to ensure total control of all the information that Americans are fed and to slant it in favor of the office holder. The propaganda machine is much more sophisticated than anything Hitler could have dreamed of. It totally dumbs down the American population and leads their thinking in all areas. How long can America survive this evil?

Marzipan6 October 21, 2009, 10:48 quote
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Some more about the article. (1) The UN adopted a resolution on the glorification of Nazism. There is no glorification of Nazism in Estonia. Contrary allegations are not based on facts. (2) Neo-Nazis have not “gone away” from Estonia, because they never had any meaningful presence there to begin with. (3) There are no parades in Estonia, featuring Nazi uniforms or regalia. No one can provide evidence of this, because it does not happen. (4) There is no xenophobia in Estonia. It is one of the most ethnically diverse countries of Europe, with more than 100 nationalities living there, and tens of thousands of Russians happily visiting there as tourists each year. (5) “…Russia says their new protection means (Estonia and Latvia) can antagonize and vilify at will.” Russia saying something does not make it so. In this case I’m afraid Russia says nonsense. (6) The Bronze soldier monument was relocated to a beautiful international military cemetery in Tallinn and rededicated as a monument to all the fallen of all wars in Estonia, Russians and Estonians included. The remains of those disinterred from the downtown Tallinn park were identified, re-buried with full military honors beside the monument, and two Russian relatives of each were invited, at full Estonian government expense, to travel to Tallinn for the re-burial. (7) The Russian killed in the looting spree in 2007 was found with pockets full of looted goods from a nearby broken shop window. His killers are unknown. Whiles his crime did not merit death, neither was he a glorious Russian patriot demonstrating for grand ideals. (8) Estonians are taught Nazis were brutal occupants who were fully determined that Estonia would never again be an independent sovereign nation. Nazis were not attempting to save anyone from any oppression – they were fighting to impose their own oppression in Estonia, and everywhere else. As were the Soviets. Stalin was no freedom fighter.

Vladimir October 22, 2009, 01:05 quote
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I haven't really thought that Marzipan6 will miss a chance to find whatever excuse for Estonian Nazis.

Marzipan6 October 22, 2009, 07:31 quote
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I didn't really think Vladimir would deal with the article's factual untruths and misrepresentations.

alex October 22, 2009, 20:21 quote
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@marzipan... I'll go next year to Estonia and I'll take my cam coder with me .... Your 1,2,3, etc are lies .... UN reports are biased and so are Estonians ...

Marzipan6 October 23, 2009, 08:19 quote
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Alex, by all means visit Estonia. I wish all the critics did. They would quickly find that what they see and hear is very different to what they read. It is interesting to trace the origin and development of Russia’s profound anti-Estonian bias. It began in 1940 with Stalin’s lie that Estonia freely and legally joined the Soviet Union. In reality there was no freedom at all, only Soviet guns and terror, and not even the merest atom of legality in terms of Estonian law and Estonian constitutional requirements. In the midst of his 1940-41 mass terror campaign, Stalin’s Red Army was driven out of Estonia by advancing Germans. When Russians returned in 1944, they were brainwashed into thinking they were returning to Soviet territory; Estonians saw them as completely illegitimate and brutal foreign invaders. To Russians, Estonia looked like and behaved like a foreign country BECAUSE IT WAS A FOREIGN COUNTRY. Yet they thought of Estonia as a traitorous, nazified area of the Soviet homeland. Yet Estonians were neither traitors (they fought for their real homeland, Estonia) nor Nazis (they couldn’t abide Nazi tyranny any more than Soviet tyranny). But the lie stuck, Stalin continued to cultivate it and used it as an excuse to continue further waves of horrible oppression and mass deportation well into the 1950s. Thereafter Estonia settled down to a sullen Soviet occupation, and Russians clearly felt that they weren’t wanted there. Moscow’s propaganda continued to “explain” this by the Nazi card. The Big Lie had become so deeply a part of Russia’s consciousness that it remains as the template through which post-Soviet Russia, and people like Alex, continue to misrepresent Estonia. Apart from a few non-representative local nutters who are laughed to scorn by Estonians themselves, there no Nazi sympathizers in Estonia, just as historically there never has been.

Marzipan6 October 23, 2009, 10:30 quote
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Alex further writes that “UN reports are biased and so are Estonians ...” He is right. Everyone is biased. Everyone comes to all subjects from the context of their own experiences, and considers matters from within that framework. But some frameworks mostly rest on a foundation of realities, and some rest mostly on a foundation of non-realities. Also, some frameworks are linked to wider manipulative agendas while others are not. Since the fall of Communism, Russia has been urgently looking for aspects from its Soviet past that are good and worthy, and that can serve as a tonic for national self-respect. The Soviet space program qualifies for this. So does Russians’ fight against Nazism. The Kremlin has particularly chosen the latter as the lens through which Russia sees and defines itself. Russians have a deep affinity for it to begin with from their history of shared suffering, and this has been masterfully cultivated year by year through the ever grander May celebrations in Moscow and throughout the country. But unfortunately, this chosen virtue is only half virtuous. Yes, Russians sacrificed and suffered hugely in battling Nazism, and contributed a very major part to the eventual defeat of Nazi Germany. But they did not bring liberty in place of Nazi tyranny. Instead, they merely replaced it with Soviet tyranny. Those who suffered under Soviet tyranny proclaim this reality; they must, they have no choice but to, as that is their history and their suffering. This fits very, very poorly with the Kremlin-cultivated myth, which most Russians want to embrace. This is why those who suffered under Soviet tyranny, especially the Baltics and Poland, continue to be vilified so comprehensively by Moscow, and why that vilification resonates so naturally amongst most ordinary Russians. They want – need – the Kremlin's epic to be 100% true, and Soviet victims proclaim that it is only 50% true

K Wilford January 16, 2010, 09:04 quote
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I love everbodys Opinon, the trouble is for every one Opinon there is ten more Iether for or Aginst.

Paul February 20, 2010, 06:06 quote
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The writers don't mention that 5,000 Estonian Jews were murdered by the Nazis, with some help from Estonians.

Sir Gray December 19, 2010, 20:13 quote
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The neo nazis is and has always been in the underworld.Why does the european media clean the floor and target the country'swho produce the NN for the dangers coming to europe.

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