Radical Dutch politician’s visit to London causes revolts
Published: 06 March, 2010, 01:50
Edited: 10 March, 2010, 14:02
The visit of radical anti-Muslim Dutch politician Geert Wilders to the UK, who brought his controversial movie with him, has caused rallies in the center of London against the visit.
In Syria in a mixed religious neighbourhood non-muslim residents are being harassed by the Minaret's loud speakers noise which is plased right next doo to their houses. No one is against muslim religion but when they do their rituals they must not disturb non-muslims. That's what Europe is against but not their religion.
"They accused the Dutch politician of dehumanizing the two millions of Muslims of Britain like the Nazis did to the Jews in Germany." ====================== Very true, Mr.Obama, Blair, Elizabeth 2 and the whole evangelical movement are the true defenders of Islam. Isn't that the reason they protecting them in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and soon Iran?
Religion is personal and therefore, when it becomes non-personal it is not a faith practice, how can it be without intimacy with self? Thus, Muslims are not special and neither are Jews. Christians are not anymore than non-Christians. Sorry human beings, but the 21st Century cheated us all so far out of the reality there is no such thing as separation. We are all human having earth life experiences with species in the numbers which we cannot begin to actually count all the mystery. Religion is a mysterious, mystical experience and should be kept in this secret place. Bring it into the market place and it gets covered with the dust of the real world trading. Life is messy so we must become genuine artists of this truth and not be so ridiculously touchy about a faith that can never been seen by other than the human who chooses to feel it, the experience of emoting. Grow up it is the 21st Century and the information can enlighten us all to the fact that as long as we are fighting over religions and have been doing this since the beginning of recording history, we have not grown-up.
According to Marx's take on Hegel all historical events take place twice once as tragedy the second time as a comedy. European's i.e Germans , Russians , Italians,the French and British have had the tragedy as a result of fascism already. And even a small scale replay could have devastating results. In a slump there will not be any shortage of right wing politicians scapegoating some weak section of their own population. And there won't be any shortage of newspapers giving them publicity and encouragement.
Unfortunately the muslims in Europe have a tendency to decry any criticism of their ways as racism. This tendency is pushed, validated, and preyed upon by leftist politicians and political groups to gain popular support. This in turn creates resentment from the average European. The same thing can be seen in the way illegal Mexican immigrants act in the United States. Eventually this mess will likely boil over into something quite unpleasant.
All the right wing parties are currently picking on Muslims for only one reason,they are a safe target.If they pick on their traditional targets i.e Jews and others of darker skin coloured peoples,they know it will cause an uproar and be accused of racism. Since 9/11 many have problems differentiating extremism from simple religious beliefs. Just because there are some Muslim countries in particular Saudi Arabia that suppresses other religions,does not mean we have to stoop to their level. The conflict in Northern Ireland was a protestant versus catholic affair with terrorist activities and bombings. No one ever suggested suppressing the catholic church in the UK. Well not since the 16Th century.
EU is trying to make it's citizens a huge mass of people with no identity at all - no nationality, no religion, no culture, no real values and with controlled opinion - something like USA. The problem about moslems is that they are considered foreign, even though they are born in the EU and they will never be accepted as Europeans, although politically correct media are constantly telling us otherwise. Europe in general has a problem of low natality rate, which is a consequence of lost values. Moslems follow their own traditions and they are the only ones having many children. Ethnic map of Europe is changing dramatically. On the one hand, EU needs workers to fill the pension funds and on the other hand, they don't want these people to have personality. They actually need robots, not people. Wilders is telling us that homosexuals are ok, and that islam is not. What a hypocrite. It's not moslems who are the problem, it is the moral values that they have lost long time ago and they will hardly get them back. Europe should see the Russian example. They made people stick to their own traditional values and it started having an effect - Russia has positive natality rate.
First of all, America is NOT non-religious country. Christianity and Jew has very strong effect on the political culture. The culture is religious and especially republicans vote based on religious beliefs. Abraham Lincoln was a jewish and they have his statue in the main point of political life. There are only couple of millions jewish peoples but you can see one in one of any 5 movies or tv shows, as a good someone always, ALWAYS. they are all about politics and religion. In Norway for example, there has to be 40% of deputies have to be registered to some Church.I dont criticize it, but dont tell the western part of the world and politics are free from religion. And about that Dutch guy, is extremely racist, he has been using this religion issue -in this case Islam- to get votes, and he became popular between "hidden Nazis", like himself. He has been racist via saying Islam is racist. He cant see the people, he focuses on "things" to market himself which creates more discrimination between peoples, divides societies. But he doesnt care, cause he is not only racist but also selfish. Right, being racist needs to be selfish as well. About Islam, like any other beliefs, there are extremists. Racists. Today if we complain about Radical Islam, we have to just what there has been happening in years. Back to late 70s, there were "Communism Threat" Iran and other middle east were close to S.Russia and this being close could help Russia hold control over middle eastern sources. In order to stop it, there were a "Green Line" project. Then America helped Islamic radical groups and cults. They helped Iranian Revolution to occour and Islamic powers to take control... Like in Afghanistan, in Pakistan...This "green belt" stopped socializm and also, reading other staffs except religion. Those cultures became radicals. Now America and the other western countires has been dealing with the Monster they created and blame islam for that? Not DEMOCRATIC right? But who cares?
I'm appalled by RT's level of analysis. First of all, Wilders is not calling for the Koran to be banned. He is calling for Dutch law to be applied without favour. Dutch law says that _any_ work that promotes hatred is banned. The Koran promotes hatred against jews, christians, atheists, buddhists, hindus, homosexuals, and even women. In the Netherlands "Mein Kampf" is banned under that law. Wilders wants to see the law applied to the Koran. Secondly, there was a counter-demonstration of 300 people supporting Wilders visit to the UK. The UAF demonstration against Wilders (highlited in your video) consisted of far fewer people. The vast majority of those arrested were the UAF supporters. The people who are against free speech were also determined to use violence. That is why it is the UAF who are the true fascists.
Joe, Please read the Quran objectively. You will then find that it certainly does not promote, or even condone, hate towards any religions. It even specifically instructs followers of Islam to leave the followers of other religions alone (as long as they leave you alone) and not to waste time and energy arguing with them. As for following laws the Quran reminds the follower that there is a higher authority that must one day be answered to, regardless of what the laws of men say. I have noticed from the tone of other postings that there does appear to be a willingness amonst some people to view the Quran subjectively and to interpret the writings in a very negative way. Education is the key to understanding, and thus to peace.
As usual, RT's stories are shaded with obvious bias and completely miss the mark. 1. Geert Wilders is not "anti-Muslim." He is anti-Islam. 2. Most of the protesters protested in SUPPORT of Geert Wilders, not against him. The English Defence League, a non-racist, politically neutral group of Englishmen and women of all colours, drew roughly 300-400 people in support of Wilders, versus 100-200 people from the so-called United Against Fascism group. The UAFers use violence and intimidation tactics. The UAFers also carry Soviet flags--yet they supposedly are against fascism, which is exactly the same as what the Soviets practised. 3. Wilders is not a "racist" and nobody has ever once been able to point out anything "racist" that he has ever said or done. Islam is a religion and political ideology, NOT a race. "Muslim" is not a race, either. The other commenter, Jonna, cannot point out a single "racist" thing Wilders has done, so he lies outright and says that Muslim is a race. Give me a break.
"You will then find that it certainly does not promote, or even condone, hate towards any religions. It even specifically instructs followers of Islam to leave the followers of other religions alone (as long as they leave you alone) and not to waste time and energy arguing with them." --"Bob" Bob is either ignorant or a liar. Qur'an 9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Qur'an 9:25 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Yes, it says not to waste energy talking to them. Because it says to kill them and enslave them, instead.
March 09, 2010, 03:45, Jonas wrote > Yes, it says not to waste energy talking to them. Because it says to kill them and enslave them, instead. Ohh man, The topic has been beaten to death everywhere but people keep coming with these arguments. If you missed years of discussions I can sum it up for you: 1.Religion is religion. It has nothing to do with politics. If politicians bring religion into politics this is fault of politicians not religion. Humiliating beliefs you humiliate entire nation. And this is a point where the real hate starts. 2.Quoting Quran is useless because in the Bible you will find even more hate messages: like for instances Exodus 22:20: "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." 3. The Islam is no better and no worse than any other religion 4.Muslims are ordinary citizens. If they violate the law they must be punished. If they obey the law there is nothing special about them.










Well, you can't have freedom of speech if one side refuses to let the other side have it's say.