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“Recognizing Nazism and Communism as a common legacy is outrageous”

Published: 21 July, 2009, 15:44


Political Cartoon Depicting Marriage of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin by Clifford Kennedy Berryman, 1941

A recent resolution inspired by the Baltic States has called for Europe to recognise Communism and Nazism as equal phenomena, the idea of which to prominent Jewish historian Efraim Zuroff is outrageous, he told RT.

 
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Morris July 21, 2009, 15:22 quote
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Complete nonsense. Stalinism won over Nazism, twin horrible evils. All those Russians gave their lives for Stalin's victory, resulting in 50 more years of repression not only in Russia but in all of Eastern Europe. What's outrageous is that the current Russian government refuses to see it's guilt in Soviet crimes and oppression. Stalinism lives on in Putinism. The German people have faced their crimes and are ashamed. The poor Russians don't have a clue about their own history and crimes and how they are detested in Eastern Europe. Wake up and grow up!

armen08 July 21, 2009, 18:50 quote
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How the Holocaust is interjected in this discussion I find it hard to understand. But to compare the record of Nazism and Communism is complete nonsense, as are the comments of brother Morris. If you really want to compare Nazism to another "ism,", why not start from Western colonialism, especially British and American imperialism? And the actions of the bully of the Middle East? Secondly, there is nothing unique in human history, no matter how you turn and twist it. Neither Nazism nor the Holocaust were unique phenomenon.

George July 21, 2009, 22:14 quote
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I dont wish to get dragged into this argument but to equate Communism with Nazism is ludicrous but coming from the Baltic states it does not surprise me.i remember during the second world war the Baltic states were collaboraters who raised regiments of the waffen ss.the British people suffered the Nazi blitz and do not forget the role the Baltic states played in assisting the Nazis.and neither should anyone, times may change but people dont. we now have them sucking up to the EU trying to show how friendly they are they hated Britain then and still do .give me a Russian any day. at least i know where i stand.

Krapotkin July 22, 2009, 02:14 quote
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Of course they are similar, with the only difference that one lasted 70 years, and the other only 12! What so surprising? Bolshevism, an extremist form of Socialism. Nazism, a mixture of extremist Racist Nationalism, have both a very similar bloody history. For the Balts, who tasted Stalin's Bolshevism between 1939 and 1941, when the arrival of the Nazis, was a Liberation. The Balts, have a long memory of the first Soviet occupation, with its mass deportations and repressions of the Bourgeois Class and Kulaks, and of their lost freedoms starting 1945 until 1990, with the return of the Red Army, with its NKVD, Gulags, etc...

davidperi July 22, 2009, 05:28 quote
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Any crime against people is outrageous whether of it´s own citizens or against others!

Marzipan6 July 22, 2009, 11:08 quote
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This article is strongly oriented to the viewpoint of Russia, who was the owner and operator of Soviet Communism, and takes no account of the experience of Soviet victims. Further, the article is framed by an interview that is oriented primarily towards the experience of the victims of Nazism, not towards the experience of the victims of Soviet Russia. Russians judge that some altruistic motives lay behind the mish-mash of Communist ideology, and do not see any altruism behind the savage ideology underlying Nazism (although by their own perverted lights, some Nazis might also claim altruism for their dogmas). Therefore Russians are affronted when Nazism is equated with Sovietism. Yet from the viewpoint of the victims of the Nazi and Soviet entities (and the Baltics, amongst others, suffered serially under each), there is little to choose between the two. The Nazis murdered cruelly in pursuit of “racial purity,” and the Communists murdered cruelly in pursuit of “class purity”. The Nazis ran monstrous concentration camps, and the Soviets ran monstrous slave labour camps. The Nazis extinguished the sovereignty of country after country, and the Soviets extinguished the sovereignty of country after country. The Nazis maintained their power by terror, a police state and totalitarian oppression; so did the Soviets. From the viewpoint of the victims, the only difference between the two is that the Soviets killed more, enslaved more and oppressed neighboring countries for much, much longer. The article expresses surprise over “the rest of the world remaining so quiet”. This is because the rest of the world were not the owners and operators of Soviet Communism – that was Russia's role. Therefore the rest of the world has no proprietorial interest in defending the indefensible, and takes the natural position that those murdered by Soviet Communism are just as dead as those murdered by German Nazism, and that each need to be remembered equally.

Marzipan6 July 22, 2009, 11:10 quote
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I have commented previously on the article’s central flaw of logic. I will now comment on its major ethical lapse. The article sharply criticizes the Baltics on the basis of their alleged “collaboration with the Nazis.” Under Nazi occupation, there were instances of isolated local participation with Germans in anti-Semitic crimes in Latvia and Lithuania, and very much less in Estonia. Yet at no time were crimes against humanity an expression of the policy of any sovereign Baltic government, because there was no sovereign Baltic governments between 1940 and 1991. By contrast, crimes against humanity definitely were an expression of the policy of the Soviet government. Secondly, at no time was there any sympathy in Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania for the war aims of Nazi Germany. How could there be – Germany was an oppressive foreign invader and occupier of those countries. There was only a wish to prevent the Red Army from returning to the Baltics to continue its bloodbath against them of 1940-41. This stands in sharp contrast Soviet Russia, which was the ally of Nazi Germany from 1939 until 1941. Thirdly, despite the above, the Baltic countries have apologized repeatedly for those relatively few people who, as individuals, chose to participate in with Germans in their crimes. Russia has never apologized for its monumental crimes against the Baltics. Fourthly, the Baltics had no opportunity to investigate or prosecute anyone until they regained their sovereignty in late 1991. By that time those of their residents who had been guilty of Nazi crimes had already been killed by the Soviets. However, post-Soviet Russia has had every opportunity to bring Russians to justice who committed crimes against humanity in the name of the Soviet state – and has abysmally failed to as much as investigate even one solitary such criminal. Therefore the article’s assumed high moral ground from which it criticizes others is gross hypocrisy.

Count Cash July 26, 2009, 19:05 quote
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It is ludicrous and rediculous to equate Stalinism with Nazism. That is the simple fact. Just look at the documented facts in the Nazis trials, if a refresh of memory is required. These were trials with the evidence tested, not a bunch of paid for historians writing for profit. As for the Baltic Nazis, they are bound to support such equation, because they are deep rooted Nazis, they carried out the Nazi aims with great relish, pronouncing theselves proudly Jew free. The Baltic states were immersed in voluntary Nazism, with their police, military and political system, steaming full steam ahead implementing Nazi policies. The Baltics and Nazism are one and the same thing. Today Estonia acts as a hub for the revival of Nazism, they parade in Nazi uniforms and erect monuments to the Nazis, europe knows this. Nazis are now travelling from all over europe to the Nazi Baltic Mecca of Estonia. There was no isolated acts, the Baltics became soul mates with the Nazis, they fought cheek by jowl with them. They just use the Stalinist crusade as a smokescreen for their Nazi past and guilt. It's as simple as that. Objective people within Europe recognise this, and for Russia, little states like these are pretty insignificant to get worked up about. We just need leave them to their own devices, singing their own perverted tunes to themselves. They matter little, all we need remember is the fallen ones due to the Baltic and other Nazis in the Great Patriotic War. A war the allies prosecuted and won, defeating the Baltic Nazis, fully and completely. A defeat they cannot cope with as a nation, hence like a criminal, the story keeps changing.

Marzipan6 July 27, 2009, 10:26 quote
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As usual, CountCash addresses not one of the numerous points of fact that my preceding posts lists, and simply repeats the familiar Stalinist mantras that pass for post-Soviet Baltic policies. That’s fine, as most readers are quite capable of reaching making their own judgments on these matters. I will take particular exception with one of his assertions, though. CountCash writes, “For Russia, little states like these are pretty insignificant to get worked up about.” Perhaps he should tell Moscow about this, as I can’t think of any parallel to the degree that Russia got “worked up” over Estonia in 2007. Virtually every month official Moscow continues to make some new outburst about the pretty insignificant Baltics. Guess Russia must have nothing more significant to worry about.

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