911 Reason why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. Part II. The Pentagon Crash
Published: 12 September, 2009, 12:28
Edited: 21 October, 2009, 09:23
Andrews Air Force Base is a mere 10 miles away from the Pentagon, yet 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began not a single fighter jet had been activated to intercept American Airlines Flight 77.
Militant Muslims are blowing things up in Russia too. I guess Bush is to blame for that. You guys who believe 911 was a cover up need to get a life or get off the pot then go live in Iran and speak out against the government. Enjoy life in the Iranian jail.
The lack of aircraft wreckage is interesting, as is the military response ( or lack there of). A Boeing 757 is a big plane. This is one reason I have a special radio that can intercept most public safety and military communications. It's interesting what they say at times.
Beyond any doubt-9/11 was inside job.For years I investigate this terrorist act!Judgeing by hard material evidence,expert and vitness report - 9/11 was terrorist act done by USA govenment-full stop!To any honest human who live by God ten comands is clear as it can be! Real killers of those 3000 in N.York and millions innorcent victims in Iraq and Avganistan are at large and free.Every country wich keep killing innorcent in Iraq and Avganistan are quilty of war and genocide crimes!The real q: is-will those governments admit publicly the truth?Will those states arrest and punish real(known) culprits? Probably not!World will nevertheless-never forget and never forgive you for NOT DOING SO!
I would be worried if an experienced pilot could not crash a plane into a 77ft high building. There were no acrobatics required.Why don't you try it on a PC simulator program? The engines and the other pieces of wreakage are where the wreakage is stored, where else would they be? Since when does 'I haven't seen the wreakage' equal 'there is no wreakage'. The plane did crash into the Pentagon along with the passengers. And you label those things as 'Given' - facts! The problem is you don't ask enough questions like who in their right mind would come up with a plan to pretend to crash a particular plane with named passengers into a building by crashing a missile into the building -in broad daylight,in front of scores of witnesses , then have to dispose of the plane and get the wreakage and the remains of the passengers into the building and think there was any chance they would succeed.
As my father use to say, there's no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers... Asking for further explanation of things that don't add up doesn't make one a conspiracy nut, only means one is curious enough to want answers. Its up to those who answer the questions to do so with honesty and integrity...when they don't, or can't we have every reason not to trust them. This article raises valid questions that deserve to be answered. Now we can only wait for those answers...which might be when hell freezes over.
Well, actually it's simple! On the morning of 9/11, Secretary of Transport Norman Mineta entered the bunker at 9.20 am.! There he witnessed a conversation between Vice-President Dick Cheney and a "young man" that goes as follows, Young man to the VP; "Sir, the plane is 50 miles out!", "Sir, the plane is 30 miles out!" and when it came down to "Sir, the plane is 10 miles out!" , the young man also said to the VP; "Sir, do the orders still stand!" The VP turned around and wrapped his neck , and said; "Offcourse the order still stand, did you hear anything to the contrary?" Norman Mineta made this statement before the 9/11 commision, under oath, and it was not published in the 9/11 report! Thereby, Dick Cheney said he entered the bunker not earlier than 10.00 am.? It's up to you who too believe, a secretary of transport, who gave a testimony under oath, or, a VP who has given not a single testimony under oath! I remind you, that the statement of Norman Mineta was not published in the 9/11 report! Even so the 118 eyewitnesses, who gave moreover than 500 testimonies off explosions/secundary explosions in the WTC buildings and never made the 9/11 report! Why! William Rodriques who stated before the 9/11 commision, that a explosion occure before WTC 1 was struck by an airplane and never made the 9/11 report! Why! Now, eight years after 9/11, 60% of the 9/11 commisionmembers calls the report a "cover-up and a fraud"! Why! Democraticly speaking, that's a majority! Not enough for a new investigation? Then there's something wrong with the democratic system or his principles!
@A.Wright Where is the evidence? The engines, wings, fuselage, bodies, lugage, maybe some passports? Why are there five frames released of a video, where you can see.....nothing that's look like a 757? So, why are you so convinced that it was a 757? Do you know more than we do? Please tell us!
@david No, you have to blame Medvedev or Putin for that! But the question is, do you have the courage for that? Today's Iranian government is installed by CIA and American government, to keep the tension in this region! Do you understand?
@A. Wright O, by the way A. Wright in what way was Hani Hanjour an "experienced" pilot? He couldn't manage a Cessna 172 and made a 270 degree turn in a 757? That's you're claim tough, that Hani Hanjour was the pilot of flight 77? Did you have visit pilots for 9/11 truth lately? Yeah (W)right, you're a joke!
@A. Wright A PC simulator program? Are you serious? Just as serious, as a scheduled training in october 2000 of an incoming 757 into the Pentagon? Such a simulation? Or should we make a connection with the announcement of Donald Rumsfeld with the missing $2.3 trillion on 9/10/2001? Maybe it's slips everyone's mind, but on 9/11, when "flight 77" hit the Pentagon in the West Wing, accountants where busy, too track down $2.3 trillion! It's just an observation! And Mr. A. Wright tries to pull a smokescreen over it! Sorry for you, Mr. A. Wright, but I wasn't born yesterday!
@A. Wright The question is more, why don't we get any answers? May I remind you, that a lot of questions were unanswered, or simply left out the 9/11 commisionreport! In case if a plane or a missile hit the Pentagon? I can say, read the "Operation Northwoods" document! With some imagination, even you can figure this out! Mr. Lemmnitzer could!
@ They Knew CNN Interview with Willie Rodriguez 11 Sept 2001 RODGUEZ: I work in building one. The one that got hit the first time. BROWN: Tell me what happened. RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. ------- CNN Interview with Willie Rodriguez 11 Sept 2002 On the subject of your friends, one of them is with you, a relatively new friend I know, William Rodriguez (ph). If Mr. Rodriguez (ph) is actually close enough, we've got a mike on him, just tell the story of how -- William, tell the story of how the two of you met. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no, we knew each other for many years. We work at the -- I work at the building. I personally in charge of all the stairs, of all the maintenance of the stairs in the building. And I knew David for probably 15, 16 years. And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance. And I came back running into the building. And the only person that I found there was Officer David Lim. ----
@ They Knew CNN Interview with Willie Rodriguez 11 Sept 2001 RODRIGUEZ: I work in building one. The one that got hit the first time. BROWN: Tell me what happened. RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. ------- CNN Interview with Willie Rodriguez 11 Sept 2002 On the subject of your friends, one of them is with you, a relatively new friend I know, William Rodriguez (ph). If Mr. Rodriguez (ph) is actually close enough, we've got a mike on him, just tell the story of how -- William, tell the story of how the two of you met. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no, we knew each other for many years. We work at the -- I work at the building. I personally in charge of all the stairs, of all the maintenance of the stairs in the building. And I knew David for probably 15, 16 years. And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance. And I came back running into the building. And the only person that I found there was Officer David Lim. ----
If I don't mention something in a post I'm 'pulling a smokescreen over it'? That's a bit much. Did Donald Rumsfeld 'pull a smokescreen' over the $2.3 trillion? He spoke about it, in public,the day before 911 - he spoke about it earlier in the year as well. It would be really stupid to point that out to everyone, in public , the day before when he didn't have to. If you look it up you'll see he wasn't talking about missing money but about incompatible accounting systems that meant expenditure accounts couldn't be reconciled properly. If you read my post I didn't say Hani Hanjour was an experienced pilot- someone else said an experienced pilot couldn't have done what he did- which I doubt. He did train in American flying schools though, had a pilots licence before he did his training and completed a course on a Boeing 737 simulator. He also rented light planes from a flying school and flew them along the flight corridor to Washington.
@A.Wright As I was writing in my comment earlier, that I wasn't born yesterday, I meant that I wasn't born yersterday! I don't recall any earlier statement by Donald Rumsfield of the missing $2.3 trillion then 9-10-2001! If so, give me a date, it must be archived somewhere! The event that you named about incompetible accounting systems, yes I can recall that one! That was a questioning by Cynthia McKinney, but that was much later! How so, you don't try to pull a smokescreen over things? Until this day, those $2.3 trillion is still missing, but, I don't mind, it's you're money, not mine! What I do mind is the next, and that leaves me with a couple of questions! Why should Donald Rumsfeld make twice an annoucement of the missing $2.3 trillion? As I said earlier in this comment, the first one I can't recall, so give me some proof of that! Secondly, it's a little bit suspicious to make such an annoucement a day before 9/11, knowing that Donald Rumsfeld was one of the leading members of a neo-con think tank called the "Project for a New American Century", which included Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle etc.! From this think tank, came a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" about the collapse of Sovjet Russia, the opportunity to become the worlds one and only superpower, a total American world hegemony which would take a long proces, absent some catalyzing or catastrophic event, like A New Pearl Harbor! The announcement of Donald Rumsfeld can mean two things; 1. It was pure coincidence or 2. He knew something was going to happen the next day! In my opinion, there were too many coincidences on 9/11, so I put my vote on number 2! And what do you want with the interviews of William Rodriques, I don't know! Maybe you can explain it to me!
The part about Payne Stewart's jet being intercepted in two minutes is completely false. The intercept took over an hour from loss of contact. Even then it was done with a jet already airborne for a training mission and not one dedicated to air defense. You can see for yourself right here in the NTSB report. http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm at 0933 EDT they first noticed they lost contact with the jet. They continued to try to contact it for the next 4 and a half minutes (about 0937 EDT). Only after this was NORAD notified and the intercept process begun. Not until 0952 CDT (equivalent to 1052 EDT; note the time zone change which adds an extra hour) was a jet from Eglin AFB within range of it. This article has the correct times adjusted for a single time zone, including the time that NORAD was actually notified (0955 EDT, gee if you put that into the article you'd have to think they got the intercept done before they even knew about it!) http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=payne_stewart_1
@They knew I wish you would stop accusing me of covering things up - the subject of the $2.3 trillion was in the public domain for quite a while before 911 , it was brought up as a result of an audit of the DoD accounts. It came up before Donald Rumsfeld was appointed Secretary of Defence , in fact in the Senate hearings to ratify his appointment. ** January 11, 2001 Senator Byrd: A recent article in the Los Angeles Times, written by a retired vice admiral and a civilian employee in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, accused the Department of Defense of being unable to account for the funds that Congress appropriates to it. The authors wrote, and I quote in part, quote, "The Pentagon's books are in such utter disarray that no one knows what America's military actually owns or spends." ... That audit report found that out of $7.6 trillion in department-level accounting interest, 2.3 trillion in entries either did not contain adequate documentation or were improperly reconciled or were made to force buyer and seller data to agree. This DoD-IG report is very disturbing.... SECTION: CAPITOL HILL HEARING HEADLINE: AFTERNOON SESSION OF A HEARING OF THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE SUBJECT: THE NOMINATION OF DONALD RUMSFELD TO BE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ** There are various instances of it also being discussed by different people such as these http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june01/dollars_2-12.html http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002hxm Donald Rumsfeld spoke about it on a few different occasions prior to 911 http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=1198 http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=1428 http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=408
@A.Wright I'm not accusing you of anything, but I can do now, or maybe misrepresenting things! In this comment by you, September 16, 2009, 22:44, you wrote; "He spoke about it, in public,the day before 911 - he spoke about it earlier in the year as well.", and that earlier in the year, never happened! All the other questions I've raised, it seems to me, that you don't have any answers! That doesn't mind, and you don't have to feel ashamed about it ! You've also, been lied too!
Where exactly am I misrepresenting things? - I said Donald Rumsfeld spoke about it before 10th September 2001 and I provided you with the links to sites where he talks about it before 10th September 2001. What else can I do? -did you not link to the sites and read them? On the other issues- I'll debate any and all of them if you want to. I thought maybe it would be better to take them one at a time.










Given: Even an experienced pilot could not have done the acrobatics required. I've seen the Pentagon from the air. It would have looked to be about the size and thickness of a dime to the alleged hijacker pilot. Given: The absence of any debris. Where are the engines? The sheared off wings? The enormous tail section? To say that all that titanium "vaporized" defies credulity. So what happened to Barbara Olson, the actual plane, and all those other passengers if they did not actually crash into the Pentagon? An aircraft of 100 tons would be noticed. Could it have been diverted and ditched in the ocean while a guided missile of some sort actually struck the building? None of this has ever been satisfactorily investigated. Ask a question and you are labeled "conspiracy nut", grassy knoll and all that. . .