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Russia–NATO relations depend on Europe

Published: 18 September, 2009, 18:29


Russia–US relations have dramatically improved recently, but it’s up to the EU to make the same happen in Russia-NATO relations, believes Adrian Pabst from the Luxembourg Institute for European and International Studies.

 
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Bianca September 18, 2009, 20:18 quote
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Very, very true. Here is a comment from Janusz Reiter, Chairman of the Center for International Relations in Warshaw, and the former Polish Ambassador to the United States and Germany. "... The problem here is that people have the sense that we are facing a deeper change in Europe. The United States’ presence in Europe is decreasing, while Russia appears to be looking to play a larger role."

Toma September 18, 2009, 21:38 quote
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NATO relations are always negative vs Russia. They always were in the west. One would like to cooperate, but if the other proves to be a selfish scumbag, it simply cant go on like this forever. Once you say to the person its behaviour by only waiting for benefits and itself not bringing anything back in other means, youre bad. It will try getting as much as it can, thinking youre a naive fool. Good will is not something westerners understand. You will be ´too strong´ mouthed when you say and do something when objections are not met. This is a very simplified version of how I view EU-Russia relations.

Marzipan6 September 19, 2009, 04:16 quote
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Pabst correctly analyses that “a lot of Eastern European countries like Poland and the Czech Republic and the Baltic States of course are still very, very suspicious (of Russia).” He further correctly states that as long as such divided opinions remain within NATO, the views of the negatively inclined countries will prevail. Sensible Russian policymakers should therefore conclude that the way to improve Russia’s relations with NATO, and thereby to advance Russia’s own interests, is not by endlessly accusing, deriding heaping scorn on and opposing those Eastern European NATO members, but by actually winning them over to genuine partnership and friendship. This, in turn, depends on understanding why those countries feel negatively about Russia to begin with. Kremlin propaganda about them is the very last source from which to get a sense of reality regarding that matter, but unfortunately the Kremlin appears to believe its own propaganda. The Baltics, Poland, the Czech Republic and other Eastern European countries feel negatively about Russia not because they all had a bad breakfast – but because of the terrible things Russia did to them under Soviet flag, and because of what post-Soviet Russia continues to do. It continues to offensively lie about their Soviet past, refuses to reconcile with them, and continues to criticise and oppose them at seemingly every opportunity. Because Russia is not prepared to honestly deal with its own Soviet past, a large part of its strategy for trying to improve relations with NATO is to try to demonize and discredit NATO’s Eastern European members. You’d really think that someone in Moscow would notice by now that this does not work.

johnx September 19, 2009, 22:11 quote
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@Marzipan6 It is NATO, EU and the US that are totally hostile towards Russia any actions Russia has taken with the exception of the Bronze statue incident in your native Estonia have been reciprocal t these actions Since the collapse of the USSR bombing and destroying the Serbs creating a conduit for the qworst forms of terrorism and organised crime directed and Russia and Eurasia. As well as installing through Soros and his Harvard allies economic shock therapy that delivered the Russian economy and nation into the hands of a non-Russian western aligned oligarchy laundering an estimated $1 trillion overseas, pushing NATO and encircling the country, threatening to launch pre-emptive first strike nuclear policy with the now stalled missile shield, taking Russian Intel and Russian created Northern Alliance from Russia after 9/11 on Afghanistan against the Taliban which the US created and propped up and worked with until 9/11 and stabbing Russia in the back by moving the terrorist from Afghanistan to the Panski Gorge in Georgia to fight in the South, installing anti-Russian in Ukraine and Georgia and launching proxy wars against Russia.

Marzipan6 September 20, 2009, 06:56 quote
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Johnx: yes, Russia’s financial transition during the Yeltsin years went badly. You argue this was because the West surrounded Russia with a conspiratorial cordon of hatchet men who stymied progress; I and many other observers would argue that this was because unlike some of its Eastern European neighbours, Russia declined to take sufficient responsibility for its own reform processes, and to this day has still not tackled some issues. A similar flavour runs through the other issues you mentioned, which can just as easily be explained without resorting to worldwide anti-Russian conspiracies. Consider simple logic: the West has neither a psychological need to dream up a world in which it is surrounded by enemies, nor any economic or political advantage if such a circumstance actually existed. Instead, its interests would best be served by a stable, democratic, prosperous, content Russia that trades amicably with it, and that joins with it in countering mutual threats from the radical crazies of this world. There is no point in making an enemy of Russia, nor even a resentful subservient. Many more resources could be applied to the benefit of many more people if Russia were a genuine partner and friend. Obviously “the West” is not a monolithic entity, nor is it uniformly enlightened nor angelic. But as its overarching interest is as I outlined, one would logically assume that its overall policy initiatives would have been pitched with precisely that in mind, and would have been revised only as Russian behaviour showed these to be inappropriate to prevailing realities. Russia appears to have a fairly fragile sense of its own security, and frequently finds offense and danger in matters where none is offered. It then (over)reacts, leading the West to change its policies to ones of greater wariness and caution. Which, in turns, leads Russia to see its original unwarranted reactions as justified to begin with.

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