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“One of the biggest scientific hoaxes in history imploding thanks to hackers”

Published: 24 November, 2009, 01:50
Edited: 20 October, 2010, 05:12

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Top UN, US, English and European scientists colluded together to defraud, lie to and terrorize the public through a fake environmental crisis, Texas-based radio host Alex Jones told RT.

“This university in England is the main scientific source cited by the UN,” he said. “Over the last decade other independent scientists demanded to see the raw data because it didn’t fit with the other raw data that the other universities and research facilities had, and they had always refused. In these e-mails, they talk about trying to suppress the real data and they talk about working with government.”

Jones points out that the scientists were trying to manipulate data, which they had since 1961, showing that the Earth had begun a cooling trend – and they were actually cooking the data.

Jones also claims the fraud, connected with the idea of man-made climate change, was planned by the global elite to impose carbon taxes on the masses.

“This is worldwide financial dictatorship run by global oligarchs that have caused so many problems in Europe, the USA and Russia, and they are now just taking their scheme to the international, global level,” Jones said.

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OttifantSir December 12, 2010, 08:19
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Personal observations in my lifetime has been this: We have less snow, and it isn't as cold in the winter. I can remember when I was a child, we had 3 meters tall plow-edges on the roads, and though not common, we had days, even weeks of temperatures below -20C. Sometimes below -30C too. Summers don't seem to be as warm as when I was younger. Is this natural or man-made? I honestly can't say. Noone can at the present. We know there are changes in the climate. But we can't say why. Sunspots? Natural cycle? CO2? Mining? Shipping? Rockets? Coca-Cola? Cows farting? People leaving their fridge open? NOONE KNOWS!!

But we can all agree on this: Burning carbon for fuel isn't good for us. It leads to respiratory diseases, it leads to social inequality. We can also agree that the carbon we release into the atmosphere has been on this planet all along. Perhaps a few tons have dropped in with asteroids, but nothing more than equals a glass of water in the ocean.

Global conspiracies. Do they exist? It is possible. Are they paranoid delusions? It is possible. Everything is possible. When people say something is impossible, what people should read into that is: We don't know enough at the moment to do this. I could say that crashing two atoms together is impossible because I don't know enough to do it. But at LHC in CERN they do, so I guess it's possible.

For all anyone knows, Alex Jones here could be the one with the answers. Is it likely? No. But IT IS POSSIBLE.

OttifantSir December 12, 2010, 08:18
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We should try to find better alternate sources of fuel than we have today. Actually, the best fuel I know of, is to get a diesel car, go to your nearest fast food restaurant(s) and get its/their used deep fat frying oil, clean it and put it on your tank. A diesel car will run on frying oil without ANY modifications whatsoever, and the emissions are EXTREMELY low. And you're saving both the restaurant(s) and yourself money.

I'll be a bit more accurate than Paladin2 here and state (perhaps erroneously) that in 1625, the Thames was frozen solid. A few years before, and a few years after can be referred to as a "miniature ice age". The Thames has not been frozen solid since. And also in Britain, during the Roman Empire, it was warm enough to grow grapes. It's not that warm today. (BBC's Connections for the grapes. I won't bother finding out which episode, because it's such a good scientific series, everyone should watch all of it)

OttifantSir December 12, 2010, 08:15
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Mr. Skungeous >Mm, yes, that spell in the middle ages when they had sensitive CO2 detection hardware to measure the carbon emissions from dragons breathing fire. Yes, I seem to recall reading about that somewhere, now that you remind me...
Heard of the icepacks? Or what about dendrology? Or Mass-spectrometry? These are but three of many ways to detect ,AFTER THE FACT, the concentration of materials in a specific time and place. I'm not saying you're wrong about Paladin2's warped view of the scientific meaning of "theory". I'm not saying Paladin2 is right about his statement that there were higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere in the middle ages. Partly because he doesn't specify a more specific timeframe. Not even if it were in the Early Middle Age, The Dark Middle Age or the Renaissance Middle Age.
But I am saying that both of you have valid points. Cap And Trade? It's a scam alright. A global one. The idea of having a cap on CO2-emissions is a good one. Trading it with all its loopholes of selling "unused" or "cleaned" quotas is the worst scam I've ever heard about