haha....ignorant fools. if you all westerners (US/Europeaans) think you were "civilized" from the beginning of time, you're wrong. Eruopeans have to thank the MUSLIMS for your "education" Remember why the Muslims were in Spain? and what they could do squat for 2-300 years and then finally they stole knowledge from the MOORS that they finally were able to defeat them. And guess which Euroepan were the first to get "civilized?" hahaha..... 

It's really regrettable that Chinese communist party elites, whom I have been thinking they are smart, seem to have surrendered to easy militarism idea. China's having Air Carrier will, in a long run, do more harm than good to China because:1) It changes Japanese voters’ perception of China profoundly, gives them valid and compelling reason to arm in full scale.2) It strengthen US-Japan military alliance, help US, Japan, Philippine and Vietnam forming anti-China bloc. Eventually China will end up seeing US and Japanese sophisticated war planes based in chain islands from Vietnam to Okinawa. Japan will add a few more stealth submarines on top of US nuclear attack subs.3) To cope with these enhanced threat from air and underwater, China will build up several air carrier groups, which may seemingly become bigger than US 7th fleet. This will certainly ruin China’s economy. Pathetic propaganda “now China richer than Japan, par with US in terms military” will be soon thrown away by people who realize Chinese per capita income is still less than one tenth of that of Japan or US. 4) As US and Japan begins to see China as more foe than friend, they will cut and repatriate investment from China. They will just watch China will collapse by its own military burden just like former Soviet Union.5) When tension rises in Far East, China’s Air Carrier group will be proven as worthless, checked by Japanese and US subs and air threat. They will just keep sitting in their home port and may become nest for revolution like Hochseeflotte of Germany in the end of WWI. At the end of 19 century, China was economically bigger than Japan in total, but its political system was far-behind. Never admitting their backwardness, they had German build world most powerful battleships (Dingyuan and Zhenyuan) in 1885 and next year sent them to Japan to show off its power. That changed Japan’s public opinion much, shattering down China’s harmless image (victim of opium war).  China has good tradition of civilian control over military. I am hoping the top leaders do something against history repeats by itself.

Now to the J-15, it was a licensed airframe from Su-27 which later improved into the J-11. But the similarity between the Su-27 and J-11 ends at airframe, so does the J-15 and Su-33. All avionics, weapon system are domestically developed and produced. Aside from the powerplant which the Chinese is slowly replacing the AL series with its own WS jet propulsion, everything is done by themselves.So lets get this strait, Chinese is a rising super power and a passive aggressive one at that... History provided that If you make China a friend, they will be the most loyal friend you will ever have provided it is within moral and reason boundaries. They will share all its wonders with you and come to your aid when you are in trouble. However, if you make China an enemy, they will never forget and they will never surrender. This is the Chinese culture, this is how they've survived for thousands of years when ALL other great civilization fell. I've seen both western and eastern cultures, lived in them and conncted by both. Both cultures has things to learn from each other and experience that would help eachother to build a harmonious society.