shilka.maskirovka wrote in #17
There are EU nations that can coop with this and there are those that don't. Take Sweden for an instance, there are entire city blocks completely in the hands of armed gangs of outer European heritage. Indigenous people are pushed out from the areas, and the streets are in the hands of the bullies. This agreement is needed. No question about it. As some nations simply can't keep control over their own towns anymore. There are no jobs in Sweden, there is only poverty and alienation that ends up in criminality, despair and in the end complete and utterly anarchy. The grand experiment has failed, it is time to suck that fact up, and move ahead and do something about the growing problems instead of ignoring them and build up even more problem.

You are 100 % right im from Sweden and this country used to be a paradise now its looking like awful with crime-infested slums but to few realize the problem and vote for the 7 pro immigration, pro-EU parties so their is little hope of ever saving our beautiful country while people choose to ignore the problems so they can be politicaly correct.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. It will soon be a rarity to have a passport for dissidents, aka terrorists. Owe taxes? No passport for you! Critical of the government? Too bad! Control is the new mantra for freedom-loving Western banksterocracies. Germany has long been preparing for the endgame. Goodbye EZ. Hello WAR.

- I see your point. But as you would also know, if the Euro collapses... Estonia isn't going to be immune from the impending economic doom...
Therefo re, brace yourself. You might think that life is good now but you cannot have it good for much longer if many of the EU nations are in huge debt. Remember, life in PIIGS was also good... until those debts had to be paid back.
I am aware of that. Same thing happened with the Ruble in 1991. An easy trick was to stock up on stuff before the money lost it's value and I think that's what the people will do right now as well. Hopefully it won't come to this.
And yes, PIIGS had a good time while they had it. But here the difference between North and South kicks in. PIGS (no Ireland) are all southern countries, their mentality is a bit different. Northerners are more serious with their finances, decisions. Not saying north is better (in a fear of a hate-wave), but just that in this situation north is safe from the mistakes that south has made. (Just look at Sweden, Finland, Denmark. Well, Denmark and Sweden aren't the best examples, since they have Krone, but I hope you get my point here)

- "That is the whole point of the article... Germany are looking for independence again. No control over its immigration, no control over its basic sovereignty, ... isn't in the makeup of the Germans who are among the most proactive and pragmatic people on the planet. They lead by example, they don't want to be lead."
It's not in German morality to be just independent. They want to be independent and lead the EU at the same time. Which they are already doing. I'm a Slavic person, and I've had a lot of relatives in the war, so I am rather vigilant of this "history repeats itself" thing, but I think this time it's different.