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Iran protests: breeding ground for new revolution?

Published: 18 June, 2009, 12:51

Iranians protest against the disputed election win of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (AFP Photo / Yasser AL-Zayyat)

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The West may take advantage of mass protests in Iran following the re-election of President Ahmadinejad to organize a ‘green’ revolution similar to color revolutions in former Soviet states, says journalist Wayne Madsen.

“What may have been a mass protest without foreign interference may now be subsidized by people like George Soros. We are talking about yet another themed revolution – in this case, a green revolution,” Madsen told RT.

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Frank June 20, 2009, 02:03
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The readiness with which almost everyone in the West seems to be accepting the “coup” explanation is rather worrisome. It is similar to the lockstep consensus on the “Iraqi threat” six years ago that made war all but inevitable, and it is similar to our political class’ certainty last year that Georgia was merely an innocent victim of “Russian aggression,” which has been found again and again to be false. The “coup” in Iran is becoming one of those things that “everyone knows,” and as we have seen more than a few times in the past the things that “everyone knows” are not always true. Moreover, this thing that “everyone knows” about the Iranian election is based on partial, sketchy and biased information–sound familiar? There may be elements of the “coup” story that hold up under scrutiny. It is true that the Revolutionary Guards and Basij militia are loyal to Ahmadinejad and had a significant role in all of this, but how much of that role was illegal under Iranian law remains to be seen. Part of the “coup” argument is that America must not side against the Iranian people, and it is taken for granted that the people are on Mousavi’s side, because Mousavi’s claims of representing the majority are taken at face value and Mousavi’s side is sometimes simply identified as the side of The People. Were the situation reversed and Ahmadinejad supporters were the ones rioting, it is all but certain that no one would believe a word of their complaints. It is being called fascism when the police attack pro-Mousavi protesters, but you know that it would also be called fascism if it were Ahmadinejad’s people rioting in the streets rather than Mousavi’s, even if the positions of the two candidates were reversed exactly and their actions were identical. (Of course, if Mousavi were the incumbent, he might very well win, because no incumbent has ever lost in any Iranian presidential election–why exactly do we think that anything has changed this time?) If Ahmadinejad’s supporters were the ones in the streets, we would hear all about how they need to accept defeat and acknowledge the validity of the election, and if they refused to do so they would be charged with subverting the democratic process. The “coup” argument is a consensus view that fits a lot of existing prejudices, allows us to reaffirm pleasant myths about the virtues of popular government (which we are supposed to believe would have yielded a good result, were it not for those meddling fraudsters), and provides an excuse for moralistic posturing in which we get to flaunt our enthusiasm for democracy mostly for our own satisfaction. I am increasingly skeptical that it describes the events of the last few days. The poll results, the only real information we have at this time, indicate that the election results reflect the will of the Iranian voters. Among the extremely interesting information revealed by the poll is the following: “Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election. “While Western news reports from Tehran in the days leading up to the voting portrayed an Iranian public enthusiastic about Ahmadinejad's principal opponent, Mir Hossein Moussavi, our scientific sampling from across all 30 of Iran's provinces showed Ahmadinejad well ahead. “The breadth of Ahmadinejad's support was apparent in our pre-election survey. During the campaign, for instance, Moussavi emphasized his identity as an Azeri, the second-largest ethnic group in Iran after Persians, to woo Azeri voters. Our survey indicated, though, that Azeris favored Ahmadinejad by 2 to 1 over MoU.S.avi. “Much commentary has portrayed Iranian youth and the Internet as harbingers of change in this election. But our poll found that only a third of Iranians even have access to the Internet, while 18-to-24-year-olds comprised the strongest voting bloc for Ahmadinejad of all age groups. “The only demographic groups in which our survey found Moussavi leading or competitive with Ahmadinejad were university students and graduates, and the highest-income Iranians. When our poll was taken, almost a third of Iranians were also still undecided. Yet the baseline distributions we found then mirror the results reported by the Iranian authorities, indicating the possibility that the vote is not the product of widespread fraud.” There have been numerous news reports that the U.S. government has implemented a program to destabilize Iran. There have been reports that the U.S. government has financed bombings and assassinations within Iran. The U.S. media treats these reports in a braggadocio manner as illustrations of the American Superpower’s ability to bring dissenting countries to heel, while some foreign media see these reports as evidence of the U.S. government’s inherent immorality. Pakistan’s former military chief, General Mirza Aslam Beig, said on Pashto Radio on Monday, June 15, that undisputed intelligence proves the U.S. interfered in the Iranian election. “The documents prove that the CIA spent 400 million dollars inside Iran to prop up a colorful but hollow revolution following the election.” The success of the U.S. government in financing color revolutions in former Soviet Georgia and Ukraine and in other parts of the former Soviet empire have been widely reported and discussed, with the U.S. media treating it as an indication of U.S. omnipotence and natural right and some foreign media as a sign of U.S. interference in the internal affairs of other countries. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that Mir Hossein Moussavi is a bought and paid for operative of the U.S. government. We know for a fact that the U.S. government has psychological warfare operations that target both Americans and foreigners through the U.S. and foreign media. Many articles have been published on this subject. Think about the Iranian election from a common sense standpoint. Neither myself nor the vast majority of readers are Iranian experts. But from a common sense standpoint, if your country was under constant threat of attack, even nuclear attack, from two countries with much more powerful military establishments, as is Iran from the U.S. and Israel, would you desert your country’s best defender and elect the preferred candidate of the U.S. and Israel? Do you believe that the Iranian people would have voted to become an American puppet state?

Frank June 19, 2009, 06:03
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"Here's the upgraded voice of the Tehran street, where the new top rallying cry is "Seyyed Ali Pinochet, Chile Iran nemishe" (Seyyed Ali Pinochet, Iran won't be like Chile). A seven-point list of demands has been Twittered and passed hand-to-hand (here in its original Twitter English version) since Tuesday afternoon. 1. Remove Khamenei from supreme leader because he doesn't qualify as a fair supreme leader. 2. Remove [President Mahmud] Ahmadinejad from presidency because he took it forcefully and unlawfully. 3. Put [Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali] Montazeri as supreme leader until a review group for the ghanooneh asasi [constitution] is set up. 4. Recognize [losing presidential candidate Mir Hossein] Mousavi as the official president. 5. A government by Mousavi and start a reform of the constitution 6. Free all political prisoners without any ifs and buts, right away. 7. Call off any secret organization such as gasht ershad [morality police]." Some agenda, no?! Especially for a *Presidential* election (which, in Iran, is mostly about representation and not about real power). How did we go from "fixing election irregularities" to "replacing the Supreme Leader" and "changing the Constitution"?! Or was that the intention all along?!?! Pepe is wrong, that is sure, conned as he is by a mix of carefully orchestrated propaganda and by his own ideological blindness, but he is not dishonest and we can be sure that this "ultimatum" is really being circulated on Twitter and elsewhere. So now, hopefully, nobody will doubt the real nature of what is being attempted in Iran. Let me spell it out for you in plain, simple words: The Gucci Revolutionaries lead by Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani are trying to overthrow the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei They are using the elections for a largely symbolic post of President as a *lever* to trigger a crisis which give them the control of the most powerful post in Iran, the one of Supreme Leader The Presidential election gave the Guccis a fantastic opportunity to achieve "regime change": either their puppet candidate Mousavi wins, and they can use his position to further their agenda, or he looses and they can then holler about the election being stolen (the latter option is made easy by the fact that in a large country like Iran some irregularities will always occur). Rafsanjani's Gucci Revolutionaries are probably infiltrated by the Israelien intelligence services on the low to middle level, but their top leaders are not so much "agents of the CIA" as in a situation of objective community of interest with the Washington and Jerusalem. Given the fact that the opposition cannot come up with any real evidence of major irregularities in the elections, and given the fact that they have no other legal recourse, they have only two possible card left to play: a) to get the Assembly of Expert to dismiss Ayatollah Khamenei (highly unlikely) b) trigger a bloodbath and blame it on the government

Artyom June 19, 2009, 04:57
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The actual politicians may not be influenced, but the youth and people can be organized. The BBC already cropped an image from Ahmadinejad's rally and said it was Anti-Ahmadinejad ralley... The talking heads are perfect in English. The people even in this article shown are holding signs in English for Western Media outlets. To say there isn't outside mettling is rediculous, George Soros and his type are already there!!!