Of course, the war in Afghanistan should be considered illegal for a very simple reason: This country appears to have had nothing to do with 9/11/01, but was used as a justification of the war.  Here are a few useful sites to educate oneself on this issue. Sorry, but this site counts 850 characters (including spaces), as over 2,000 characters.  I guess my word processing program can't count.  For those that want the links REMOVED from this post, e-mail me at .  I'm tired of wasting any more time on this.

Fred, great comment - Why didn’t Americans care about people from other countries getting killed, whilst they were eating those greasy hamburgers? Whereas once the greasy hamburger was at risk, it’s out on the streets. Well Fred, I wouldn’t be too hard on Americans for this, in that it is pretty normal tribal behaviour. Their leaders showed the blood of killed ‘villagers’ and pointed over yonder to a land where they could lead the men uh! uh! uh! uh! Ape style with clubs to sort them out! This satisfied the ‘villagers’ need for justice so that was mission accomplished. This indeed is the fatal flaw of national democracies, the leaders want to take or stay in power, and they can do this by catering for their populations needs, regardless what affects that has on the rest of the world. Basically as long as not too many body bags come home, anything goes. It is the perfect sub-optimisation, leading to an overall non optimum solution. That is why greasy hamburgers are important, whereas an Afghans child’s mutilation is not. How to fix – the soft way is through education and building a wider networked world, so that people are not so isolated, not so tribal and have contact, understanding and empathy for different peoples – to travel wider than the village, whist still maintaining and being proud of their ‘village’. The hard way, provide a mechanism that each ‘village’ can destroy the other ‘village’ if attacked, bringing the benefits truly home to the democracy, in the instigating village – enter the thermonuclear weapons for now. In reality no one trusts the soft way, so they rely on the hard way as the end stop, and the soft way as the attempt to prevent the end stop. So was that mayo or ketchup you wanted?

@ EDDIE; Well we sure made the hole bigger, who won? 1.2 trillion dollars spent in the middle East 4,800 dead in Iraq and 2,800 in Afghanistan and countless civilians dead...we attacked Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11...unfortunately we have a country run by idiots and an uninformed populace of sheep...Occupy Wall Street? a little too late, sure didn't care about all the innocent people we were killing around he world when we could stuff our guts with those greasy hamburgers.USA, USA fred...oregon, usa